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bitcharmer 6y ago
Although not entirely false, this post is a bit too defeatist. "Don't use a VPN because they may be lying about not logging connections" is the same as saying "Don't get on an airplane because the pilot may be suicidal". I'm not going to stop using vpns nor flying on airplanes because of that.
- Nextgrid 6y ago
  You typically get on an airplane because you have to travel someplace. With VPNs I fail to see a reason beyond circumventing geo-blocking.
  - yoz-y 6y ago
    Whereas the VPN provider might do something with your data, your ISP most definitely does.
    - midasuni 6y ago
      Does it? I don’t recall giving A&A permission to deal with my data in any nefarious way, i’d doubt they would anyway. https://www.aa.net.uk/ https://www.aa.net.uk/
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      - hellcow 6y ago
        ISPs monitor and modify your internet traffic in America (perhaps that's different in the UK?). My American ISP absolutely spies on me. So rather than accept that guarantee, I can use a VPN like Mullvad who at least promise not to do this, and whose entire business relies on keeping that promise.
        Nextgrid 6y ago
        > whose entire business relies on keeping that promise. That "you should not use a VPN" link someone posted elsewhere explicitly disproves that claim, saying that HideMyAss were caught breaking their privacy promises and have yet to go out of business. The prices of VPN services also don't make sense and potentially suggest something nefarious is going on (not saying Mullvad is doing this, but any VPN advertised on YouTube is very likely to do so). It's difficult to imagine that they can afford such bandwidth/hardware and the amount of support/abuse cases (remember that VPN services will attract scum as a side-effect of their privacy/anonymity claims) for such a low price.
      - eptcyka 6y ago
        Virgin, who are the only ones who can provide decent speeds at my address most definitely spoof DNS and record traffic.
      - rasguanabana 6y ago
        This may be very different in countries different than yours.
        midasuni 6y ago
        I wasn’t making a blanket claim. Op told me my isp is bad. My isp is not bad. I’m certain that a vpn provider would be less trustworthy than my isp.
      - judge2020 6y ago
        So maybe you don't have to worry about the ISP itself, but your government: https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13718768/uk-surveillance-laws-explained-investigatory-powers-bill#heading-label--xlbhuj39:~:text=The%20UK%20government%20will%20keep%20a,computer%20%E2%80%94%20but%20no%20individual%20pages https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13718768/uk-surveillance.... https://www.amnesty.org.uk/why-taking-government-court-mass-spying-gchq-nsa-tempora-prism-edward-snowden https://www.amnesty.org.uk/why-taking-government-court-mass-...
  - glenneroo 6y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26050877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26050877 TL;DR: My bank wouldn't let me use their online banking because I had run a Tor service sometime in the past.
karaterobot 6y ago
This isn't a persuasive argument for not using a VPN, it's a strongly-worded reminder that using a VPN means you're trusting your VPN provider. That's a big difference.

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bitcharmer 6y ago

Although not entirely false, this post is a bit too defeatist. "Don't use a VPN because they may be lying about not logging connections" is the same as saying "Don't get on an airplane because the pilot may be suicidal". I'm not going to stop using vpns nor flying on airplanes because of that.

Nextgrid 6y ago
You typically get on an airplane because you have to travel someplace. With VPNs I fail to see a reason beyond circumventing geo-blocking.
- yoz-y 6y ago
  Whereas the VPN provider might do something with your data, your ISP most definitely does.
  - midasuni 6y ago
    Does it? I don’t recall giving A&A permission to deal with my data in any nefarious way, i’d doubt they would anyway. https://www.aa.net.uk/ https://www.aa.net.uk/
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    - hellcow 6y ago
      ISPs monitor and modify your internet traffic in America (perhaps that's different in the UK?). My American ISP absolutely spies on me. So rather than accept that guarantee, I can use a VPN like Mullvad who at least promise not to do this, and whose entire business relies on keeping that promise.
      - Nextgrid 6y ago
        > whose entire business relies on keeping that promise. That "you should not use a VPN" link someone posted elsewhere explicitly disproves that claim, saying that HideMyAss were caught breaking their privacy promises and have yet to go out of business. The prices of VPN services also don't make sense and potentially suggest something nefarious is going on (not saying Mullvad is doing this, but any VPN advertised on YouTube is very likely to do so). It's difficult to imagine that they can afford such bandwidth/hardware and the amount of support/abuse cases (remember that VPN services will attract scum as a side-effect of their privacy/anonymity claims) for such a low price.
    - eptcyka 6y ago
      Virgin, who are the only ones who can provide decent speeds at my address most definitely spoof DNS and record traffic.
    - rasguanabana 6y ago
      This may be very different in countries different than yours.
      - midasuni 6y ago
        I wasn’t making a blanket claim. Op told me my isp is bad. My isp is not bad. I’m certain that a vpn provider would be less trustworthy than my isp.
    - judge2020 6y ago
      So maybe you don't have to worry about the ISP itself, but your government: https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13718768/uk-surveillance-laws-explained-investigatory-powers-bill#heading-label--xlbhuj39:~:text=The%20UK%20government%20will%20keep%20a,computer%20%E2%80%94%20but%20no%20individual%20pages https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13718768/uk-surveillance.... https://www.amnesty.org.uk/why-taking-government-court-mass-spying-gchq-nsa-tempora-prism-edward-snowden https://www.amnesty.org.uk/why-taking-government-court-mass-...
- glenneroo 6y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26050877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26050877 TL;DR: My bank wouldn't let me use their online banking because I had run a Tor service sometime in the past.

karaterobot 6y ago

This isn't a persuasive argument for not using a VPN, it's a strongly-worded reminder that using a VPN means you're trusting your VPN provider. That's a big difference.