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> However, if we are losing a common point of reference and the discussion turns from an ever varying problem space towards questioning and problematizing conse
by AndrewBissell 6y ago
> However, if we are losing a common point of reference and the discussion turns from an ever varying problem space towards questioning and problematizing consent per se
Do you have an actual specific example of this happening? I can't think of a single time I've heard someone say "I refuse to agree with the prevailing consensus simply because" as opposed to "I find the prevailing consensus mistaken in such-and-such ways and so I disagree with it."
- masswerk 6y agoI'd say, about any beginning of a civil war, or the establishment of a totalitarian/autocratic regime is much like this. It may start in problem space, but it soon turns into "this problem is that severe that those in command/the other side is not to be trusted, to an extent where it must be excluded from the discussion". From this point onwards, it's just about collecting power and suppression, as it is about a certain partition being (systematically) excluded from the establishment of the general consensus.
- bjowen 6y agoArguably the positions taken in service of provocation only (owning the libs etc) are a refusal to agree just because - would they qualify?