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Yep, to me the concern is less about precision and more about recall - I have no doubt that a lot of high-profile disinformation actions do in fact pertain to d

Yep, to me the concern is less about precision and more about recall - I have no doubt that a lot of high-profile disinformation actions do in fact pertain to disinformation. But I have a lot of doubt about the willingness of those who are taking actions on disinformation to do so impartially and be equally aggressive with disinformation of all partisan/tribal bents. I also think there's a lot of unwillingness to even come up with a transparent and operationalizable standard of what it would mean to be partial or impartial in this regard. eg. I have no doubt that "the 2020 election was stolen" narratives are largely based on disinformation, but it seems to me that the "Trump was a Russian asset" narratives are largely based on disinformation as well. Yet the former are subjected to widespread moderation actions and the latter are not. Maybe the latter narrative is slightly less fantastical, but that doesn't seem obviously true and it's very easy for me to see why ideological bias could explain this outcome.

mullen 6y ago
> eg. I have no doubt that "the 2020 election was stolen" narratives are largely based on disinformation, but it seems to me that the "Trump was a Russian asset" narratives are largely based on disinformation as well. Yet the former are subjected to widespread moderation actions and the latter are not. Maybe the latter narrative is slightly less fantastical, but that doesn't seem obviously true and it's very easy for me to see why ideological bias could explain this outcome. You are being a little dishonest on this comparison. There is ZERO evidence that the 2020 election was stolen. 50 states certified their elections, including a number of critical states where nearly the entire election process was under the control of the Republicans (Georgia and Arizona are two that come to mind). Excluding Republicans committing minor election fraud (Voting for dead relatives and such), there was statically very very low levels of election fraud. However, with "Trump IS a Russian asset" narrative, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that Trump really is a Russian asset. Yes, we don't have a recording of Putin giving Trump his orders but there is enough odd behavior from Trump to point to Trump being under the influence or control of Russia at some level. It is pretty damn clear that the Russians have something on Trump at the very least.
- AndrewBissell 6y ago
  > However, with "Trump IS a Russian asset" narrative, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that Trump really is a Russian asset. Yes, we don't have a recording of Putin giving Trump his orders but there is enough odd behavior from Trump to point to Trump being under the influence or control of Russia at some level. It is pretty damn clear that the Russians have something on Trump at the very least. This is exactly the kind of reasoning that will get one labeled a "conspiracy theorist" when applied to myriad other topics. Where's your proof, your documented evidence?

mullen 6y ago

> eg. I have no doubt that "the 2020 election was stolen" narratives are largely based on disinformation, but it seems to me that the "Trump was a Russian asset" narratives are largely based on disinformation as well. Yet the former are subjected to widespread moderation actions and the latter are not. Maybe the latter narrative is slightly less fantastical, but that doesn't seem obviously true and it's very easy for me to see why ideological bias could explain this outcome. You are being a little dishonest on this comparison. There is ZERO evidence that the 2020 election was stolen. 50 states certified their elections, including a number of critical states where nearly the entire election process was under the control of the Republicans (Georgia and Arizona are two that come to mind). Excluding Republicans committing minor election fraud (Voting for dead relatives and such), there was statically very very low levels of election fraud. However, with "Trump IS a Russian asset" narrative, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that Trump really is a Russian asset. Yes, we don't have a recording of Putin giving Trump his orders but there is enough odd behavior from Trump to point to Trump being under the influence or control of Russia at some level. It is pretty damn clear that the Russians have something on Trump at the very least.

AndrewBissell 6y ago
> However, with "Trump IS a Russian asset" narrative, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that Trump really is a Russian asset. Yes, we don't have a recording of Putin giving Trump his orders but there is enough odd behavior from Trump to point to Trump being under the influence or control of Russia at some level. It is pretty damn clear that the Russians have something on Trump at the very least. This is exactly the kind of reasoning that will get one labeled a "conspiracy theorist" when applied to myriad other topics. Where's your proof, your documented evidence?