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A lot of it is motivated by libertarianism. They don’t like the idea that the Government can unilaterally impose a form of house arrest on the entire population

by Veen 6y ago

A lot of it is motivated by libertarianism. They don’t like the idea that the Government can unilaterally impose a form of house arrest on the entire population while mandating what people wear(masks) and who they can meet. I don’t agree, but I don’t think it’s an entirely crazy position either.

avereveard 6y ago
And the position is multifaceted. I agree with the curfew but not with the business limitations, or at the very least not in the way they implemented it here trough a legislative decree, since the Italian Constitution is built around the right to work an has no exception for health issues.
Closi 6y ago
I agree with the viewpoint (somewhat). I agree with mask mandates and commerce closures, but when the government starts making it illegal to meet my family, including outside and in own house, then that crosses a civil liberties line for me personally. A reasonable person could hold the opposite view. A reasonable person could hold the 'total lockdown' view. But if you hold the 'anti-lockdown' viewpoint you risk being told you have just been reading 'disinformation' these days. I don't see anti-lockdown as disinformation, that's a policy option. I also don't see it as disinformation to believe that governments are utilising propaganda to either make Covid sound worse / better according to what fits their policy narrative - that's what governments do! There is lots of genuine disinformation about Covid, but we have to be careful that we don't just brand opposing opinions as disinformation and fake news. > The network is using tried and tested techniques of psychological propaganda to manipulate the public and cast pressure on governments. It has already arguably paved the way for more than 100,000 COVID-19 deaths in the UK – and will likely lead to many more. Now ironically THIS is ACTUAL misinformation. To blame the 'network' for ALL Covid deaths in the UK is just ridiculous. I personally don't think the use of 'arguably' here absolves them from the fact the claim is clearly false.
willvarfar 6y ago
Going off on a tangent, the kind of people who don’t like the government mandating masks are also the kind of people most against men wearing skirts and people wearing nothing at all?
- exporectomy 6y ago
  Unless you can show that any such person exists, you're just making them up. Even if they do exist, what's wrong with being opposed to a government imposed dress code while also having your own personal preference for how you like people to dress?

by Veen 6y ago

avereveard 6y ago

And the position is multifaceted. I agree with the curfew but not with the business limitations, or at the very least not in the way they implemented it here trough a legislative decree, since the Italian Constitution is built around the right to work an has no exception for health issues.

Closi 6y ago

I agree with the viewpoint (somewhat). I agree with mask mandates and commerce closures, but when the government starts making it illegal to meet my family, including outside and in own house, then that crosses a civil liberties line for me personally. A reasonable person could hold the opposite view. A reasonable person could hold the 'total lockdown' view. But if you hold the 'anti-lockdown' viewpoint you risk being told you have just been reading 'disinformation' these days. I don't see anti-lockdown as disinformation, that's a policy option. I also don't see it as disinformation to believe that governments are utilising propaganda to either make Covid sound worse / better according to what fits their policy narrative - that's what governments do! There is lots of genuine disinformation about Covid, but we have to be careful that we don't just brand opposing opinions as disinformation and fake news. > The network is using tried and tested techniques of psychological propaganda to manipulate the public and cast pressure on governments. It has already arguably paved the way for more than 100,000 COVID-19 deaths in the UK – and will likely lead to many more. Now ironically THIS is ACTUAL misinformation. To blame the 'network' for ALL Covid deaths in the UK is just ridiculous. I personally don't think the use of 'arguably' here absolves them from the fact the claim is clearly false.

willvarfar 6y ago

Going off on a tangent, the kind of people who don’t like the government mandating masks are also the kind of people most against men wearing skirts and people wearing nothing at all?

exporectomy 6y ago
Unless you can show that any such person exists, you're just making them up. Even if they do exist, what's wrong with being opposed to a government imposed dress code while also having your own personal preference for how you like people to dress?