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Ahh so now what about banning child pedophilia in holy books? How do you feel about religions texts the promote that particular viewpoint?

boomboomsubban 6y ago
Like cults? Claiming religious authority to abuse someone is a crime basically everywhere. If you're trying to refer to Muhammad, calling a few lines about a political marriage not contained in the Qur'an "promoting that viewpoint" is assholish behavior. If there's some other target or just a hypothetical, it would depend on how the religion viewed the section today.
- Layke1123 6y ago
  You are really about to start splitting hairs here I feel, but let's do this. If a religion today promoted that a 50 year old can marry a 9 year old, would you ban it or not? If a religion today claimed that the rapist of a woman who was single was forced to marry said woman, would you ban it or not?
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    >You are really about to start splitting hairs here I feel, but let's do this. Despite your attempts to provoke me, my answer to every question has been "it's fine" except for the clear cut case of abuse. Now you're continuing towards what I view as islamophobia even after my warning. I really don't understand what you're hoping for here. Child abuse, rape, and forced marriage are all things that should be illegal. Claiming a law is wrong shouldn't be illegal, but if the church was actively pushing their members to commit crimes they would likely be accessories. At no point would I ban a religion.
    - Layke1123 6y ago
      It's not an attempt to provoke. I'm not sure why you think that. But you bring up a great point again. Define religion? I take it Satanism is a religion to you yes?
      - boomboomsubban 6y ago
        >I'm not sure why you think that. Because this started with your objection to me saying religious persecution is wrong, and within three posts you had called Jesus gay and Muhammad a pedophile just to see what kind of reaction I gave. If you disagree, explain what you're hoping to get out of this interaction.
        Layke1123 6y ago
        What if a person sincerely believes Jesus was gay, and that Muhamad was a pedophile? Were do you draw the line at sincerely held religious beliefs and what you think is not a sincere religious belief?
        boomboomsubban 6y ago
        Why do you care so much about what other people believe? It's like you are trying to justify religious persecution.
        Layke1123 6y ago
        Why do I care if delusional people get help? For the same reason I'm in support of universal healthcare as a human right. Again, if you want to claim something like religious persecution, can you define what it means. I would love a clear and concise definition of what is and isn't a religion. As a side note that many readers might find interesting, delusion as defined in the DSM-5, the book that defines what is and isn't a "mental illness", EXPLICTLY makes an exception for "religious beliefs" when it comes to delusions. I.E., if you believe in Zeus and Thor and claim you pray and worship them, you can can be admitted for delusion because those "religions" aren't considered socio-normal, I.E. no big groups of people actively practice them. It's kind of the idea why cults are considered delusions. Now, you take that same exact logic, but apply it to someone who claims they talk to Jesus or Allah, bam, exemption and it's perfectly normal delusions.
        boomboomsubban 6y ago

boomboomsubban 6y ago

Like cults? Claiming religious authority to abuse someone is a crime basically everywhere. If you're trying to refer to Muhammad, calling a few lines about a political marriage not contained in the Qur'an "promoting that viewpoint" is assholish behavior. If there's some other target or just a hypothetical, it would depend on how the religion viewed the section today.

Layke1123 6y ago
You are really about to start splitting hairs here I feel, but let's do this. If a religion today promoted that a 50 year old can marry a 9 year old, would you ban it or not? If a religion today claimed that the rapist of a woman who was single was forced to marry said woman, would you ban it or not?
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >You are really about to start splitting hairs here I feel, but let's do this. Despite your attempts to provoke me, my answer to every question has been "it's fine" except for the clear cut case of abuse. Now you're continuing towards what I view as islamophobia even after my warning. I really don't understand what you're hoping for here. Child abuse, rape, and forced marriage are all things that should be illegal. Claiming a law is wrong shouldn't be illegal, but if the church was actively pushing their members to commit crimes they would likely be accessories. At no point would I ban a religion.
  - Layke1123 6y ago
    It's not an attempt to provoke. I'm not sure why you think that. But you bring up a great point again. Define religion? I take it Satanism is a religion to you yes?
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      >I'm not sure why you think that. Because this started with your objection to me saying religious persecution is wrong, and within three posts you had called Jesus gay and Muhammad a pedophile just to see what kind of reaction I gave. If you disagree, explain what you're hoping to get out of this interaction.
      - Layke1123 6y ago
        What if a person sincerely believes Jesus was gay, and that Muhamad was a pedophile? Were do you draw the line at sincerely held religious beliefs and what you think is not a sincere religious belief?
        boomboomsubban 6y ago
        Why do you care so much about what other people believe? It's like you are trying to justify religious persecution.
        Layke1123 6y ago
        Why do I care if delusional people get help? For the same reason I'm in support of universal healthcare as a human right. Again, if you want to claim something like religious persecution, can you define what it means. I would love a clear and concise definition of what is and isn't a religion. As a side note that many readers might find interesting, delusion as defined in the DSM-5, the book that defines what is and isn't a "mental illness", EXPLICTLY makes an exception for "religious beliefs" when it comes to delusions. I.E., if you believe in Zeus and Thor and claim you pray and worship them, you can can be admitted for delusion because those "religions" aren't considered socio-normal, I.E. no big groups of people actively practice them. It's kind of the idea why cults are considered delusions. Now, you take that same exact logic, but apply it to someone who claims they talk to Jesus or Allah, bam, exemption and it's perfectly normal delusions.
        boomboomsubban 6y ago