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> It's hard to improve the situation without people screaming about how you're CODDLING MURDERERS! Who? Twitter idiots? If you're going to take the weakest of

> It's hard to improve the situation without people screaming about how you're CODDLING MURDERERS! Who? Twitter idiots? If you're going to take the weakest of strawman arguments for the opposing side, you're not going to get very far in your thinking. There are plenty of ideas that aren't politically risky that don't get implemented, that would positively affect criminals and non-criminals alike - what's your explanation of such phenomena? Blaming voters for the deeds of politicians has got to be one of the weakest strawmans I've heard in a while. It is the job of the politicians, domain experts and the media to present viable options for the populace to choose from. If the option chosen is shit, it isn't the person working 9-5 and raising a family that was asked to choose who is at fault, I hope that much is obvious.

pmiller2 6y ago
It's more like no politician wants to be seen as "soft on crime," and this carries over to "soft on criminals." Doing anything to help people in prison once they get out is politically risky in a lot of places. Just look at the number of states where it's still legal to ask if someone has a criminal record on a job application. This not wanting to be "soft on crime" is particularly pathological in jurisdictions where judges are elected.
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- ryandrake 6y ago
  I recall being asked on a job application whether I was ever arrested, regardless of conviction. In some places, mere involvement with law enforcement is taboo.
  - jonsen 6y ago
    Would it be possible to verify if you lied answering that question?
    - jandrese 6y ago
      Maybe not right away, but 5 years down the road when you're in an ugly power struggle with some other jerk for a middle management position HR might get an anonymous tip about how you lied on your resume.
    - cema 6y ago
      Possible but costly. The US lacks a single information system regarding criminal history. There are private investigators, other private companies in the business of "record retrieval", but the results are not 100% accurate.
      - cm2187 6y ago
        ...and google. Many arrest records seem to be published online in the US.

pmiller2 6y ago

It's more like no politician wants to be seen as "soft on crime," and this carries over to "soft on criminals." Doing anything to help people in prison once they get out is politically risky in a lot of places. Just look at the number of states where it's still legal to ask if someone has a criminal record on a job application. This not wanting to be "soft on crime" is particularly pathological in jurisdictions where judges are elected.

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ryandrake 6y ago
I recall being asked on a job application whether I was ever arrested, regardless of conviction. In some places, mere involvement with law enforcement is taboo.
- jonsen 6y ago
  Would it be possible to verify if you lied answering that question?
  - jandrese 6y ago
    Maybe not right away, but 5 years down the road when you're in an ugly power struggle with some other jerk for a middle management position HR might get an anonymous tip about how you lied on your resume.
  - cema 6y ago
    Possible but costly. The US lacks a single information system regarding criminal history. There are private investigators, other private companies in the business of "record retrieval", but the results are not 100% accurate.
    - cm2187 6y ago
      ...and google. Many arrest records seem to be published online in the US.