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This sounds obvious but it might be differentially applicable across cases. We have really drastically lowered the bar for what gets called "toxic", "dangerous

This sounds obvious but it might be differentially applicable across cases. We have really drastically lowered the bar for what gets called "toxic", "dangerous", "harmful" or even "violent". This has happened steadily and with increasing speed over the last ~3 generations, in my subjective observations. I think the pendulum has swung too far with emotional and (now increasingly) ideological/theoretical safetyism. It will be interesting to see where the middle ground is, or whether it just results in collapse of competence and output. I hope I'm wrong but over time it feels like the latter is where we're heading.

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sbarre 6y ago
I understand where you're coming from, but I will offer this counterpoint: I think that's ok. I think we can find ways to interact, collaborate, and work, that don't tolerate behaviours we wouldn't find acceptable in a social setting. I think raising the bar for acceptable behaviour is a good thing. And while people will abuse this (both intentionally and due to personal struggles), It's not like people weren't abusing things the old way too. I would rather have people take advantage of an _intolerance_ for toxicity than have people take advantage of a _tolerance_ for it.
- marcod 6y ago
  Agreed, yes, conditions for workers have improved over the years. Being a good boss has become harder as the bar has been raised. Good.
pjc50 6y ago
... while continuing productivity increases across those years and achieving more things. And increasing the diversity of the workforce.
shortandsweet 6y ago
I'd have to disagree with that. Everyone has their own threshold. No point in making yourself suffer over a job. I think it's a good thing people quit and leave rather than suck it up over an entire career.
mbrodersen 6y ago
I might be wrong but it sounds as if you are blaming the victim here?

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sbarre 6y ago

I understand where you're coming from, but I will offer this counterpoint: I think that's ok. I think we can find ways to interact, collaborate, and work, that don't tolerate behaviours we wouldn't find acceptable in a social setting. I think raising the bar for acceptable behaviour is a good thing. And while people will abuse this (both intentionally and due to personal struggles), It's not like people weren't abusing things the old way too. I would rather have people take advantage of an _intolerance_ for toxicity than have people take advantage of a _tolerance_ for it.

marcod 6y ago
Agreed, yes, conditions for workers have improved over the years. Being a good boss has become harder as the bar has been raised. Good.

pjc50 6y ago

... while continuing productivity increases across those years and achieving more things. And increasing the diversity of the workforce.

shortandsweet 6y ago

I'd have to disagree with that. Everyone has their own threshold. No point in making yourself suffer over a job. I think it's a good thing people quit and leave rather than suck it up over an entire career.

mbrodersen 6y ago

I might be wrong but it sounds as if you are blaming the victim here?