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I've been eyeballing the Model Y since they started shipping a RWD version (dropping the base price $8000). This is right eye-to-eye with Model Y in terms of fe

I've been eyeballing the Model Y since they started shipping a RWD version (dropping the base price $8000). This is right eye-to-eye with Model Y in terms of features and pricing. First thing, the range sucks. The range on the Model Y already is borderline for me, dropping another 15 miles off the top is rough. Next, no option for a tow hitch? I know there are likely after market options, but a factory hitch is usually just a little nicer. The Tesla even has a tow mode where it changes the way the backing cameras and autopilot works to account for the trailer. Not a total deal breaker but I tend to have a bike rack on my hitch all the time. I can't see why anyone would get the AWD version of this. It's $3000 more and has 20 miles less range. The only reason the Mustang is interesting at all is because it still qualifies for the $10k government rebates.

jbob2000 6y ago
The Mustang brand will carry this car through your complaints. So what if the range sucks? It's a "sports" "car"; even with an ICE they had crappy range. Having a bike rack affixed to your car destroys your aerodynamics, so it's kinda funny that you're complaining about 15 miles when a bike rack probably strips that much from the Model Y. AWD is great for racing, perfectly inline with the mustang brand. And again, who cares about range for a sports car.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  I was looking at it as a crossover SUV, not as a sports car. If you want to look at it as a performance vehicle, it's a pretty sad offering for a EV. The Model Y Long Range completely crushes it in terms of performance and Range. But since you don't care about utility, you'd probably go for the Model 3 where the performance differences are even greater. The Mustang's performance numbers might look interesting for an ICE vehicle, but they are purely middle of the pack for an EV. Calling the Mustang EV a sports car is like calling a 70s Pinto with a 6 banger a performance car. EDIT: FWIW, I've had a hitch rack on my car for the past 9 years, I'm quite aware of the impact it has on range.
  - jbob2000 6y ago
    The Mustang is a middle-of-the-pack sports car, it's perfectly on brand for the Mach-E to be middle of the pack. There's a great scene in the recent Ford V Ferrari, where Christian Bale's character Ken Miles goes off on a Ford exec for making a crappy car. The clip is on youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFX_Oc5fAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFX_Oc5fAM
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      > The Mustang is a middle-of-the-pack sports car It's not middle of the pack for a sports car. Middle of the pack for any EV. It's competitive speed wise with only the slowest base Teslas. It's slower than the mid-range Cybertruck will be. I guess they can brag about being faster than the Nissan Leaf!
Rebelgecko 6y ago
It'll be interest to see how it compares to Tesla wrt repairability and availability of OEM parts. At least with the pricing of the body and paint shops by me, that could save you more than $3k over the life of the car
bagacrap 6y ago
AWD is useful if you live somewhere with a winter.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  Sure, we have winter here. I get why you would want AWD, I want AWD for exactly that reason. I wouldn't want the Mustang's AWD version because it has even worse range than the already mediocre range the base model has. For comparison, the Model 3 Long Range (their base AWD model) has 115 miles more range and is faster. If you like camping or going on adventures outdoors, that's a pretty big deal.

jbob2000 6y ago

The Mustang brand will carry this car through your complaints. So what if the range sucks? It's a "sports" "car"; even with an ICE they had crappy range. Having a bike rack affixed to your car destroys your aerodynamics, so it's kinda funny that you're complaining about 15 miles when a bike rack probably strips that much from the Model Y. AWD is great for racing, perfectly inline with the mustang brand. And again, who cares about range for a sports car.

ogre_codes 6y ago
I was looking at it as a crossover SUV, not as a sports car. If you want to look at it as a performance vehicle, it's a pretty sad offering for a EV. The Model Y Long Range completely crushes it in terms of performance and Range. But since you don't care about utility, you'd probably go for the Model 3 where the performance differences are even greater. The Mustang's performance numbers might look interesting for an ICE vehicle, but they are purely middle of the pack for an EV. Calling the Mustang EV a sports car is like calling a 70s Pinto with a 6 banger a performance car. EDIT: FWIW, I've had a hitch rack on my car for the past 9 years, I'm quite aware of the impact it has on range.
- jbob2000 6y ago
  The Mustang is a middle-of-the-pack sports car, it's perfectly on brand for the Mach-E to be middle of the pack. There's a great scene in the recent Ford V Ferrari, where Christian Bale's character Ken Miles goes off on a Ford exec for making a crappy car. The clip is on youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFX_Oc5fAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFX_Oc5fAM
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    > The Mustang is a middle-of-the-pack sports car It's not middle of the pack for a sports car. Middle of the pack for any EV. It's competitive speed wise with only the slowest base Teslas. It's slower than the mid-range Cybertruck will be. I guess they can brag about being faster than the Nissan Leaf!

Rebelgecko 6y ago

It'll be interest to see how it compares to Tesla wrt repairability and availability of OEM parts. At least with the pricing of the body and paint shops by me, that could save you more than $3k over the life of the car

bagacrap 6y ago

AWD is useful if you live somewhere with a winter.

ogre_codes 6y ago
Sure, we have winter here. I get why you would want AWD, I want AWD for exactly that reason. I wouldn't want the Mustang's AWD version because it has even worse range than the already mediocre range the base model has. For comparison, the Model 3 Long Range (their base AWD model) has 115 miles more range and is faster. If you like camping or going on adventures outdoors, that's a pretty big deal.