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Also, just changing to a Chromium based browser is not sufficient. Google still takes most of the decisions in where Chromium is going, and downstreams either a

by m45t3r 6y ago

Also, just changing to a Chromium based browser is not sufficient. Google still takes most of the decisions in where Chromium is going, and downstreams either accept them or workaround them (but for every workaround they do it is more things to keep maintaining in the long run). So yeah, using a non Chromium browser is the only way to ensure that the Web is still healthy (i.e.: not controlled by only Google) in the long run.

MR4D 6y ago
I think natural entropy will solve that problem over time. Give Microsoft another year or two, and I think we’ll see a hard fork. Looking back at WebKit, Google forked that into Blink. I don’t know why Firefox couldn’t do the same. I suppose in a couple years we’ll be able to check this post to see if Microsoft has done a hard fork or not. Will be interesting to see.
- tjoff 6y ago
  I don't know why we'd want Firefox to do that...
  - dblohm7 6y ago
    As a Firefox developer, I'm not sure why we'd want to do that. Forking isn't cheap if you want to make significant changes to that fork. We'd be better off staying with Gecko. (Oh, and we're still all-in on Gecko)
    - kenniskrag 6y ago
      why is a redirect after the submission of a login form needed? Usually they say, that's to avoid the misuse of the history function to login. But firefox already knows, that there is a password field and could clear the data after the submit. Why it's not done?
  - MR4D 6y ago
    I don’t either, but the option is there if it’s ever needed. I guess I wasn’t as clear with my point for Firefox (which was a very different point for Microsoft).
type0 6y ago
> using a non Chromium browser is the only way to ensure that the Web is still healthy Just using some other browser isn't enough. Unfortunately not all webmasters take this seriously, I reported many website issues as a Firefox user to many orgs, even university departments, the most common answer is "Just use Chrome". The ignorance is enormous.

by m45t3r 6y ago

MR4D 6y ago

I think natural entropy will solve that problem over time. Give Microsoft another year or two, and I think we’ll see a hard fork. Looking back at WebKit, Google forked that into Blink. I don’t know why Firefox couldn’t do the same. I suppose in a couple years we’ll be able to check this post to see if Microsoft has done a hard fork or not. Will be interesting to see.

tjoff 6y ago
I don't know why we'd want Firefox to do that...
- dblohm7 6y ago
  As a Firefox developer, I'm not sure why we'd want to do that. Forking isn't cheap if you want to make significant changes to that fork. We'd be better off staying with Gecko. (Oh, and we're still all-in on Gecko)
  - kenniskrag 6y ago
    why is a redirect after the submission of a login form needed? Usually they say, that's to avoid the misuse of the history function to login. But firefox already knows, that there is a password field and could clear the data after the submit. Why it's not done?
- MR4D 6y ago
  I don’t either, but the option is there if it’s ever needed. I guess I wasn’t as clear with my point for Firefox (which was a very different point for Microsoft).

type0 6y ago

> using a non Chromium browser is the only way to ensure that the Web is still healthy Just using some other browser isn't enough. Unfortunately not all webmasters take this seriously, I reported many website issues as a Firefox user to many orgs, even university departments, the most common answer is "Just use Chrome". The ignorance is enormous.