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One big problem I noticed about gun death charts in the US compared to other countries lies in the data. Look at the chart names. Fbi Gun deaths in the US and

One big problem I noticed about gun death charts in the US compared to other countries lies in the data. Look at the chart names. Fbi Gun deaths in the US and gun death crimes in whatever country they're comparing too. A third of US gun deaths are suicides, according to the FBI. With suicides, it's like 10-11 deaths per capita. Without, it's like 6-7 per capita. Countries with heavy gun restrictions, like England have around 5 to 6 deaths per same capita. Gun bans dont solve anywhere near as much as people think.

emteycz 6y ago
Indeed. And now look at Czechia and Switzerland, the European countries with unusually large private gun ownership. These countries are actually safer than the other! Responsibly regulated gun ownership helps.
- Youden 6y ago
  I'd advise against using Swiss statistics to draw too many conclusions. It may serve as evidence that a society can be safe despite the presence of guns but it doesn't serve as evidence that taking away guns from Americans will do anything in particular.
Youden 6y ago
How do the suicide rates in other countries compare? Is there an argument to be made that reducing access to guns increases the barrier to suicide and therefore decreases the numbers?
- NoOneNew 6y ago
  1 min googling, top result: US suicide rate In 2018, there were 48,344 recorded suicides, up from 42,773 in 2014, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). On average, adjusted for age, the annual U.S. suicide rate increased 24% between 1999 and 2014, from 10.5 to 13.0 suicides per 100,000 people, the highest rate recorded in 28 years. England suicide rate The suicide rate of 11.2 deaths per 100,000 population recorded by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in 2018 is an increase on the 10.1 per 100,000 population recorded in 2017, which was the lowest since the organisation began recording data on suicide in the United Kingdom in 1981. Singapore suicide rate (considered the strictest on guns) There were 397 reported suicides in 2018, compared with 361 the year before. This raised the suicide rate to 8.36 deaths per 100,000 Singapore residents, up from 7.74 in 2017. All age groups, except those aged 60 years and above, recorded an increase in the number of suicides, said the suicide prevention agency. These are overall suicides, not by method. I highly doubt there's any statistical significance in proving that no access to guns results in people not wanting to kill themselves. The argument literally then turns to, "Because guns exist, people want to kill themselves. It has nothing to do with relationship, ptsd, financial or existential issues. Strictly their access to guns." That uptick the US had for suicides, how much you want to bet that's due to neglected veterans after Iraq and Afghanistan? Looking at the bottom chart for US suicides: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20there%20were%2048%2C344,rate%20recorded%20in%2028%20years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States#:.... You have a general increase of suicides throughout the Vietnam war and then for about 3 years after it ended (1975). In the little bit of googling, I can't find solid numbers, but during that 2000s increase timeframe, there was also a report that more vets died by suicide than by actual conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan.

emteycz 6y ago

Indeed. And now look at Czechia and Switzerland, the European countries with unusually large private gun ownership. These countries are actually safer than the other! Responsibly regulated gun ownership helps.

Youden 6y ago
I'd advise against using Swiss statistics to draw too many conclusions. It may serve as evidence that a society can be safe despite the presence of guns but it doesn't serve as evidence that taking away guns from Americans will do anything in particular.

Youden 6y ago

How do the suicide rates in other countries compare? Is there an argument to be made that reducing access to guns increases the barrier to suicide and therefore decreases the numbers?

NoOneNew 6y ago
1 min googling, top result: US suicide rate In 2018, there were 48,344 recorded suicides, up from 42,773 in 2014, according to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). On average, adjusted for age, the annual U.S. suicide rate increased 24% between 1999 and 2014, from 10.5 to 13.0 suicides per 100,000 people, the highest rate recorded in 28 years. England suicide rate The suicide rate of 11.2 deaths per 100,000 population recorded by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in 2018 is an increase on the 10.1 per 100,000 population recorded in 2017, which was the lowest since the organisation began recording data on suicide in the United Kingdom in 1981. Singapore suicide rate (considered the strictest on guns) There were 397 reported suicides in 2018, compared with 361 the year before. This raised the suicide rate to 8.36 deaths per 100,000 Singapore residents, up from 7.74 in 2017. All age groups, except those aged 60 years and above, recorded an increase in the number of suicides, said the suicide prevention agency. These are overall suicides, not by method. I highly doubt there's any statistical significance in proving that no access to guns results in people not wanting to kill themselves. The argument literally then turns to, "Because guns exist, people want to kill themselves. It has nothing to do with relationship, ptsd, financial or existential issues. Strictly their access to guns." That uptick the US had for suicides, how much you want to bet that's due to neglected veterans after Iraq and Afghanistan? Looking at the bottom chart for US suicides: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20there%20were%2048%2C344,rate%20recorded%20in%2028%20years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States#:.... You have a general increase of suicides throughout the Vietnam war and then for about 3 years after it ended (1975). In the little bit of googling, I can't find solid numbers, but during that 2000s increase timeframe, there was also a report that more vets died by suicide than by actual conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan.