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I believe it was mainly to detect when a user is trying to navigate to an intranet site with a single-word name (for example http://fileserver http://fileserver

I believe it was mainly to detect when a user is trying to navigate to an intranet site with a single-word name (for example http://fileserver http://fileserver). To do that, Chrome needs to make a DNS request for the word and check if it's valid. However, you can have misbehaving ISPs that replaces all NXDOMAIN responses with something (producing false positives for what constitutes "valid" hostnames), or a guest portal that is hijacking DNS responses, so Chrome will make requests for random DNS hostnames that are unlikely to exist to detect if DNS hijacking is occurring and disable the intranet detection if it is.

lkbm 6y ago
The APNIC post[0] backs this up, saying it's the "Intranet Redirect Detector". [1] has more details on how that system works (which is basically what you said, but slightly more in-depth). [0] https://blog.apnic.net/2021/02/04/how-chromium-reduces-root-dns-traffic/ https://blog.apnic.net/2021/02/04/how-chromium-reduces-root-... [1] https://www.archyde.com/chromium-function-against-dns-hijacking-puts-high-load-on-root-servers-computer-news/ https://www.archyde.com/chromium-function-against-dns-hijack...
somehnguy 6y ago
If that was the goal, it does a pretty poor job. The amount of times I've accidentally Googled things like 'internalserver', 'fileserver:80', or 'dockerhost:8000' over the years is way too high. And when you do eventually reach any of them via manually prepending 'http:// http://', they make the 'http:// http://' not visible in the bar. What confusing signaling! Hint for Chrome: if I'm appending a port and the DNS name exists I probably don't want to Google it.
- NicoJuicy 6y ago
  Counterpoint, i do want to Google ml.net
  - Moru 6y ago
    Then you type !g ml.net
  - jbverschoor 6y ago
    or ?ml.net
    - JJMcJ 6y ago
      Or switch to Firefox, which haS an address bar and a separate search-only box.
      - trulyme 6y ago
        This. I understand why some people don't know (or care about) the difference between the search box and the address bar, but why engineers accept the merged input is beyond me.
        TylerE 6y ago
        Because it saves, on the aggregate, keystrokes. For something you do dozens of times a day even a tiny gain adds up over time.
        somehnguy 6y ago
        I was going to argue that it doesn't save keystrokes when I frequently have to go back and fix the bad guess. But then I realized that you're right - the time saved over the years when I actually do want to Google a specific term likely *far* exceeds the time I've spent fixing the bad guesses. I guess I'll just accept the flaws that come with it.
        atq2119 6y ago
        How does it save key strokes? To use the location/awesome bar you press Ctrl+L and start typing, to search you press Ctrl+K and start typing...
- eric-lee 6y ago
  I've searched for internal servers so many times I've just gotten into the habit of suffixing with '/' so 'internalserver/' goes to http://internalserver/ http://internalserver/
- rfoo 6y ago
  > If that was the goal, it does a pretty poor job. Their goal is to treat the query as search, and then try to detect if a host named "internalserver" exists. If so, Chrome displays a banner saying "do you want to visit internalserver/". So they don't have to delay the search until the probe finishes, thus it never automatically make it work without another click. Personally I don't like it either, so I usually type "internalserver/" (with a tailing slash) to skip the search.
- Already__Taken 6y ago
  tip: always end those names with the forward slash and it will try the name not Google the word. saves typing the protocol. I always assumed they didnt make this easier so my mum doesn't go to almostBank:8000 if you go to host ports a lot i.e localhost you can spend a quick search to the sqlite DB for your preferences to make l<tab>:<port> expand out. u have to edit the SQL. they "patch" the UI so it doesn't accept just arbitrary string patterns to tab complete but only URLs.
  - OkGoDoIt 6y ago
    Can you provide more details about this? That sounds intriguing, but I think I’m missing something to fully understand what you’re talking about
    - Already__Taken 6y ago
      This is what I ended up with, but looking back into it and localhost:%s/ is a valid search engine string but http://localhost:%s/ http://localhost:%s/ is not. This script is made as a reference after I'd already done the setting so assume it needs editing to work.
  - eric-lee 6y ago
    I took a look at the sqlite db but I didn't see anything that stood out but I might be looking at the wrong file. Is it databases.db? You can get that tab-complete behavior with custom search engines though Keyword: l, URL: localhost:%s Then it works how you're describing with l<tab> and input the port. I personally define all the different versions of my servers that way so v1<enter> goes to something like internalserver:9001, v2<enter> goes to internalserver:9002, etc.
    - Already__Taken 6y ago
      Interesting you made me look back into it and localhost:%s/ is a valid search engine string but http://localhost:%s/ http://localhost:%s/ is not. This script is made as a reference after I'd already done the setting so assume it needs editing to work.
- DCoder 6y ago
  > they make the 'http:// http://' not visible in the bar. What confusing signaling! In recent versions of Chrome, you can right-click the bar and choose "Always show full URLs" to fix that particular stupidity.

lkbm 6y ago

The APNIC post[0] backs this up, saying it's the "Intranet Redirect Detector". [1] has more details on how that system works (which is basically what you said, but slightly more in-depth). [0] https://blog.apnic.net/2021/02/04/how-chromium-reduces-root-dns-traffic/ https://blog.apnic.net/2021/02/04/how-chromium-reduces-root-... [1] https://www.archyde.com/chromium-function-against-dns-hijacking-puts-high-load-on-root-servers-computer-news/ https://www.archyde.com/chromium-function-against-dns-hijack...

somehnguy 6y ago

If that was the goal, it does a pretty poor job. The amount of times I've accidentally Googled things like 'internalserver', 'fileserver:80', or 'dockerhost:8000' over the years is way too high. And when you do eventually reach any of them via manually prepending 'http:// http://', they make the 'http:// http://' not visible in the bar. What confusing signaling! Hint for Chrome: if I'm appending a port and the DNS name exists I probably don't want to Google it.

NicoJuicy 6y ago
Counterpoint, i do want to Google ml.net
- Moru 6y ago
  Then you type !g ml.net
- jbverschoor 6y ago
  or ?ml.net
  - JJMcJ 6y ago
    Or switch to Firefox, which haS an address bar and a separate search-only box.
    - trulyme 6y ago
      This. I understand why some people don't know (or care about) the difference between the search box and the address bar, but why engineers accept the merged input is beyond me.
      - TylerE 6y ago
        Because it saves, on the aggregate, keystrokes. For something you do dozens of times a day even a tiny gain adds up over time.
        somehnguy 6y ago
        I was going to argue that it doesn't save keystrokes when I frequently have to go back and fix the bad guess. But then I realized that you're right - the time saved over the years when I actually do want to Google a specific term likely *far* exceeds the time I've spent fixing the bad guesses. I guess I'll just accept the flaws that come with it.
        atq2119 6y ago
        How does it save key strokes? To use the location/awesome bar you press Ctrl+L and start typing, to search you press Ctrl+K and start typing...
eric-lee 6y ago
I've searched for internal servers so many times I've just gotten into the habit of suffixing with '/' so 'internalserver/' goes to http://internalserver/ http://internalserver/
rfoo 6y ago
> If that was the goal, it does a pretty poor job. Their goal is to treat the query as search, and then try to detect if a host named "internalserver" exists. If so, Chrome displays a banner saying "do you want to visit internalserver/". So they don't have to delay the search until the probe finishes, thus it never automatically make it work without another click. Personally I don't like it either, so I usually type "internalserver/" (with a tailing slash) to skip the search.
Already__Taken 6y ago
tip: always end those names with the forward slash and it will try the name not Google the word. saves typing the protocol. I always assumed they didnt make this easier so my mum doesn't go to almostBank:8000 if you go to host ports a lot i.e localhost you can spend a quick search to the sqlite DB for your preferences to make l<tab>:<port> expand out. u have to edit the SQL. they "patch" the UI so it doesn't accept just arbitrary string patterns to tab complete but only URLs.
- OkGoDoIt 6y ago
  Can you provide more details about this? That sounds intriguing, but I think I’m missing something to fully understand what you’re talking about
  - Already__Taken 6y ago
    This is what I ended up with, but looking back into it and localhost:%s/ is a valid search engine string but http://localhost:%s/ http://localhost:%s/ is not. This script is made as a reference after I'd already done the setting so assume it needs editing to work.
- eric-lee 6y ago
  I took a look at the sqlite db but I didn't see anything that stood out but I might be looking at the wrong file. Is it databases.db? You can get that tab-complete behavior with custom search engines though Keyword: l, URL: localhost:%s Then it works how you're describing with l<tab> and input the port. I personally define all the different versions of my servers that way so v1<enter> goes to something like internalserver:9001, v2<enter> goes to internalserver:9002, etc.
  - Already__Taken 6y ago
    Interesting you made me look back into it and localhost:%s/ is a valid search engine string but http://localhost:%s/ http://localhost:%s/ is not. This script is made as a reference after I'd already done the setting so assume it needs editing to work.
DCoder 6y ago
> they make the 'http:// http://' not visible in the bar. What confusing signaling! In recent versions of Chrome, you can right-click the bar and choose "Always show full URLs" to fix that particular stupidity.