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I've seen it said a few times that there's a reason why electricians, contractors, plumbers, diesel mechanics, etc send their kids to college and it's because a

I've seen it said a few times that there's a reason why electricians, contractors, plumbers, diesel mechanics, etc send their kids to college and it's because all those trades are hard on your body and a bit dangerous. Yes they are a route to financial independence, but there's a hidden cost that a banker, marketer, SEO expert, programmer, manager, etc. does not have to pay.

jjk166 6y ago
In manual labor you get physically tired, your joints grow steadily more achy, your run the risk of injury - obviously it's unpleasant. In mental labor you get fat and achy sitting at a desk all day, your sleep schedule gets messed up looking at artificial light constantly, your mental health degrades and your risk of suicide increases - obviously it's also unpleasant. We can all agree the manual laborer's job is hard because no one can really escape manual labor. Even if your profession doesn't require you to lift a finger, other things in life like taking care of a home expose us to plenty of comparable tasks, and we can easily imagine how much worse it would be to do these tasks all the time. But the manual laborer can forego most of the negatives of office work which require prolonged and continuous exposure to things we would never experience in nature. Thus the manual laborer tends to see greener grass on the other side while the office worker does not.
- mattmanser 6y ago
  Oh come on, do you really believe the drivel you just typed out? Any office worker can do exercise to mitigate their risks, no labourer can magically make his bad back or destroyed knees better again.
  - jjk166 6y ago
    I fail to see how exercise changes the light coming out of my monitor. Manual laborers can also mitigate their risks, but in neither case do all the issues completely disappear. As someone who's done both, I can tell you that the grass is not greener on the other side, and everyone else I know who has done both has encouraged their kids to at least seriously consider the trades.
johncessna 6y ago
I'm sure they fall into the same trap that college == success. The trades are excellent careers. The issue is see with those careers is that people in the trades don't look ahead. No one wants to haul roofing shingles at 45 or crawling under houses at 50. A master of their trade commands a high hourly rate and should be looking at teaching opportunities, running their own shop opportunities, safety opportunities, or general project overview.
kortilla 6y ago
> I've seen it said a few times that there's a reason why electricians, contractors, plumbers, diesel mechanics, etc send their kids to college It’s because they’ve been sold a lie that a degree is a free pass to the middle class. If you thought all your kid had to do for a middle class lifestyle was study differential literary analysis, you’d be onboard too.

jjk166 6y ago

In manual labor you get physically tired, your joints grow steadily more achy, your run the risk of injury - obviously it's unpleasant. In mental labor you get fat and achy sitting at a desk all day, your sleep schedule gets messed up looking at artificial light constantly, your mental health degrades and your risk of suicide increases - obviously it's also unpleasant. We can all agree the manual laborer's job is hard because no one can really escape manual labor. Even if your profession doesn't require you to lift a finger, other things in life like taking care of a home expose us to plenty of comparable tasks, and we can easily imagine how much worse it would be to do these tasks all the time. But the manual laborer can forego most of the negatives of office work which require prolonged and continuous exposure to things we would never experience in nature. Thus the manual laborer tends to see greener grass on the other side while the office worker does not.

mattmanser 6y ago
Oh come on, do you really believe the drivel you just typed out? Any office worker can do exercise to mitigate their risks, no labourer can magically make his bad back or destroyed knees better again.
- jjk166 6y ago
  I fail to see how exercise changes the light coming out of my monitor. Manual laborers can also mitigate their risks, but in neither case do all the issues completely disappear. As someone who's done both, I can tell you that the grass is not greener on the other side, and everyone else I know who has done both has encouraged their kids to at least seriously consider the trades.

johncessna 6y ago

I'm sure they fall into the same trap that college == success. The trades are excellent careers. The issue is see with those careers is that people in the trades don't look ahead. No one wants to haul roofing shingles at 45 or crawling under houses at 50. A master of their trade commands a high hourly rate and should be looking at teaching opportunities, running their own shop opportunities, safety opportunities, or general project overview.

kortilla 6y ago

> I've seen it said a few times that there's a reason why electricians, contractors, plumbers, diesel mechanics, etc send their kids to college It’s because they’ve been sold a lie that a degree is a free pass to the middle class. If you thought all your kid had to do for a middle class lifestyle was study differential literary analysis, you’d be onboard too.