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Unfortunately, this is not a Pakistan specific thing. Ahmadis have been persecuted in pretty much every major Muslim nation. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/

by Arun2009 6y ago

Unfortunately, this is not a Pakistan specific thing. Ahmadis have been persecuted in pretty much every major Muslim nation. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis Prima facie, it'd seem that the common factor enabling their persecution is Islam.

margalabargala 6y ago
I don't think that's a fair assessment of Islam. The whole issue seems to be an internal argument among the Muslim community- so Islam is a necessary precondition for this problem, as it's the subject matter of the issue, but not the causative agent.
- sbmthakur 6y ago
  It's no longer an internal argument among Muslims. Laws of various countries do not identify Ahmadiyyas as non-Muslims.
yorwba 6y ago
The list of countries in that article also includes Belarus, Belgium and Bulgaria, where the common factor seems to have been Islamophobia instead.
- devlopr 6y ago
  That's an issue affects all muslims in those countries and many non-muslims who may appear that way. Islam does have a huge internal debate over which branch is correct that has never been settled. To not accept this group of people is unique in Islamic countries because they have been using this as a weapon against minorities by creating separate laws. By extending to other muslims this is more about trying to make them lower members of society with less rights and an excuse for mistreatment without breaking religious morals. You are allowed to do things to non muslims that wouldn't be acceptable to a muslims.
  - fmajid 6y ago
    Conversely, falsely accusing a Muslim of being an apostate is itself considered as grave a sin as apostasy itself. Sadly, that has not proven a deterrent for the Wahhabi takfiris, bankrolled by the oil wealth of the Saudi state. Excommunication and intolerance is not at all exclusive to Islam, as the blood-drenched history of the Wars of Religion in Europe demonstrates.
Veen 6y ago
Yes, it's unfortunately not that unusual in the UK. An Ahmadi shopkeeper was killed in 2016 by a Sunni taxi driver motivated by the shopkeeper's "heresy" [0]. A London mosque got into trouble last year for distributing 'kill Ahmadis' leaflets [1] [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/09/tanveer-ahmed-jailed-for-murder-glasgow-shopkeeper-in-sectarian-attack https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/09/tanveer-ahme... [1]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47654430 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47654430
dang 6y ago
Please don't cross into religious flamewar in HN comments. Your comment would be fine without the last sentence. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

margalabargala 6y ago

I don't think that's a fair assessment of Islam. The whole issue seems to be an internal argument among the Muslim community- so Islam is a necessary precondition for this problem, as it's the subject matter of the issue, but not the causative agent.

sbmthakur 6y ago
It's no longer an internal argument among Muslims. Laws of various countries do not identify Ahmadiyyas as non-Muslims.

yorwba 6y ago

The list of countries in that article also includes Belarus, Belgium and Bulgaria, where the common factor seems to have been Islamophobia instead.

devlopr 6y ago
That's an issue affects all muslims in those countries and many non-muslims who may appear that way. Islam does have a huge internal debate over which branch is correct that has never been settled. To not accept this group of people is unique in Islamic countries because they have been using this as a weapon against minorities by creating separate laws. By extending to other muslims this is more about trying to make them lower members of society with less rights and an excuse for mistreatment without breaking religious morals. You are allowed to do things to non muslims that wouldn't be acceptable to a muslims.
- fmajid 6y ago
  Conversely, falsely accusing a Muslim of being an apostate is itself considered as grave a sin as apostasy itself. Sadly, that has not proven a deterrent for the Wahhabi takfiris, bankrolled by the oil wealth of the Saudi state. Excommunication and intolerance is not at all exclusive to Islam, as the blood-drenched history of the Wars of Religion in Europe demonstrates.

Veen 6y ago

Yes, it's unfortunately not that unusual in the UK. An Ahmadi shopkeeper was killed in 2016 by a Sunni taxi driver motivated by the shopkeeper's "heresy" [0]. A London mosque got into trouble last year for distributing 'kill Ahmadis' leaflets [1] [0]: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/09/tanveer-ahmed-jailed-for-murder-glasgow-shopkeeper-in-sectarian-attack https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/09/tanveer-ahme... [1]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47654430 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47654430

dang 6y ago

Please don't cross into religious flamewar in HN comments. Your comment would be fine without the last sentence. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html