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I'm afraid Firefox has gotten to a point where it is too niche to recover. The last time I checked, 80+% of https://webcompat.com's https://webcompat.com's repo

by pygy_ 6y ago

I'm afraid Firefox has gotten to a point where it is too niche to recover. The last time I checked, 80+% of https://webcompat.com's https://webcompat.com's reports were sites that were broken in FF, not because it is less standards compliant than the competition, but just because there was no testing. Mozilla had been courting devs with MDN, ever improving dev tools and sexy tech (Servo) for years, with some success, although they weren't there yet. Now they've completely dropped that ball (and fired the respective people working on these techs). Without Web dev on board, I don't think they'll ever catch up. Degooglified Chromium was already the way to go since the June firings IMO, it's great that Google makes it easier to get that experience.

CivBase 6y ago
> Degooglified Chromium was already the way to go IMO, it's great that Google makes it easier to get that experience. For now. Android has shown us exactly how Google treats their "open source" products once they have rid themselves entirely of viable competition. Google really has become the late-90s, early-2000s Microsoft. First they "embrace" by releasing a product as open source. Then they "extend" by packaging the official release of the product with their own proprietary functionality. Then they "extinguish" by slowly siphoning functionality from the open source project into their own proprietary extensions (see Google Play Services).
- pygy_ 6y ago
  Yes, it sucks. They've also pulled some form of EEE with the whole Web platform by allocating so much manpower to Chrome and related techs. According to https://www.w3.org/community/wicg/participants https://www.w3.org/community/wicg/participants Google has 168 employees working on incubating Web specs, vs 47 for Microsoft, 10 for Apple and 9 for Mozilla (maybe they require their employees to disclose their status in that page and others don't though, there are quite a few unaffiliated folks on that page).

by pygy_ 6y ago

CivBase 6y ago

> Degooglified Chromium was already the way to go IMO, it's great that Google makes it easier to get that experience. For now. Android has shown us exactly how Google treats their "open source" products once they have rid themselves entirely of viable competition. Google really has become the late-90s, early-2000s Microsoft. First they "embrace" by releasing a product as open source. Then they "extend" by packaging the official release of the product with their own proprietary functionality. Then they "extinguish" by slowly siphoning functionality from the open source project into their own proprietary extensions (see Google Play Services).

pygy_ 6y ago
Yes, it sucks. They've also pulled some form of EEE with the whole Web platform by allocating so much manpower to Chrome and related techs. According to https://www.w3.org/community/wicg/participants https://www.w3.org/community/wicg/participants Google has 168 employees working on incubating Web specs, vs 47 for Microsoft, 10 for Apple and 9 for Mozilla (maybe they require their employees to disclose their status in that page and others don't though, there are quite a few unaffiliated folks on that page).