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Title should probably have [Advert] prefix or something. That said, I deleted my Disqus account as part of a general cleanup and I'm glad I did. The web needs
by xfz 6y ago
Title should probably have [Advert] prefix or something.
That said, I deleted my Disqus account as part of a general cleanup and I'm glad I did.
The web needs to shift more to a model where people pay openly for services; ideally with micropayments or a Spotify-like subscription to ensure a large user base. Free products are ok as a gateway to the paid product, but not if the business model relies on selling data (either directly, or as in Facebook's case selling the processing of data).
- dmos62 6y agoSpotify relies on monopolizing your listening data. You should avoid it on the same premise. Delivering music is easy; their unique offering is the recommendation engine. There's no competition because there's no open listening data. If we could make it open, then you could have actual competition in the space (coincidentlly Spotify recommendations aren't great at the moment).
- hnra 6y agoDoes any other service deliver music and podcasts at a much lower price then?
- sofixa 6y agoPlenty of alternatives exist - YouTube Premium ( which also gets you YouTube with no adds, on top of YouTube Music), Amazon Music, Apple Music, and iirc pandora, SoundCloud? I haven't compared prices.
- airstrike 6y agoCan't really suggest YT as an alternative to a monopoly
- throwaways885 6y agoIs either company a monopoly in "music streaming" if they're both viable alternatives?
- stjohnswarts 6y agoPeople way overuse "monopoly" these days.
- throwaway2245 6y agoSo, your suggested alternative to avoid data monopolization is to use a FAANG (with a worse product)? I accept that those are alternatives, but no thanks. Pandora has been geo-blocked and IIRC only serves the USA since 2007, and SoundCloud appears to me to be offering a different service.
- freddie_mercury 6y agoIn the country I live in none of those are available other than Apple Music. So the choices are Spotify and Apple Music.
- stjohnswarts 6y agoApple is much less likely to sell off your data
- freddie_mercury 6y agoThat is true but their app on Android was terrible (I used it for two years before Spotify was available here). Probably the worst Android app I used on a regular basis. Likely it is better on Apple devices but I don't use those.
- stonesweep 6y agoShoutcast/Icecast are alive and well, there are thousands of independent radio stations online; one of the most well known (SomaFM) is alive and well, ad free listener supported. Big Sonic Heaven is still online, both of these are like 20 years and running. Lots of podcasts are free from their source, Spotify doesn't even offer one of favorite ones (a weekly DJ mix, 500+ episodes strong) all you need is an app like AntennaPod (Android).
- tupshin 6y agoIn that vein, I'd suggest Radio Paradise. Also add free, listener supported, and has been streaming amazing mixes for over 20 years. https://radioparadise.com/ https://radioparadise.com/
- stonesweep 6y agoThank you for the reverse share! Much appreciated, ill give it a listen here in a bit (6am here :) ). In return, my podcast mentioned above is Resident - Hernan Cattaneo, podcast.hernancattaneo.com - weekly new progressive house music mixes.
- porsupah 6y agoLikewise, you might enjoy: CHIRP Radio (Chicago): https://chirpradio.org https://chirpradio.org 4ZZZ (Brisbane): https://www.4zzzfm.org.au https://www.4zzzfm.org.au Both are ad-free, other than local community orgs and the occasional local independent business plug, and funded by listener donations. Big bonus: huge variety in their playlists, with the DJs playing whatever they feel like.
- stonesweep 6y agoI didn't forget you guys, thanks these are all great and added to my combined playlist of radios. I didn't get around to CHIRP until this morning and was greeted with some Sisters of Mercy love as soon as I tuned in, that's a win right there. :) Much appreciated for pointers.
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- Tallain 6y agoI believe the price is similar, but Deezer[0] has a decent music library plus podcasts. Its recommendation engine also works a little differently. The "Flow" engine lets you listen as a radio station with known and unknown tracks thrown in with actually decent recommendations. Much better than Spotify, which only ever "recommended" artists I've already listened to, or artists I didn't like, or genres I didn't. If you listen to a wide variety of music, it doesn't know how to handle this apparently. [0]: https://www.deezer.com/us/ https://www.deezer.com/us/
- lytefm 6y agoYeah Deezer isn't too bad. Dealbreaker for Spotify:Linux Client and Years of Play lists.
- SSLy 6y ago>There's no competition because there's no open listening data. https://listenbrainz.org/ https://listenbrainz.org/
- paulryanrogers 6y agoThis reminds me I need to find an open source scrobbler compatible with Lastfm's API.
- lytefm 6y ago>There's no competition because there's no open listening data I wonder why last.fm hasn't managed to leverage their data more, if that was really the biggest value of Spotify. Or perhaps they do and sell it to streaming services? Idc
- matsemann 6y ago> I deleted my Disqus account as part of a general cleanup and I'm glad I did. Yeah, their data breach exposing mine and 18 million other's accounts made it the last time I used them.
- jonnycomputer 6y agoI try not to say what might embarrass myself later, but I did use my email to create a disqus account to talk politics, which is always touchy. I got banned for a couple weeks once for telling someone to eff off after they said they looked forward to seeing liberals, gays and Jews shot in the street. Go figure.
- EGreg 6y agoWe’ve been saying that for years, but nothing gets done. My team and I went ahead to describe how it will work, and will be releasing it in 2022 after building it openly on GitHub: https://qbix.com/QBUX/whitepaper.html#DIGITAL-MEDIA-AND-CONTENT https://qbix.com/QBUX/whitepaper.html#DIGITAL-MEDIA-AND-CONT... But watch the silent downvotes for this comment... and this is part of the reason why it won’t happen unless someone braves ridicule even of the very technologists who are supposedly for it. There are many reasons to be skeptical, the biggest of which is that ads pay more (for now) than micropayments for digital content. But that’s not why stuff like this gets downvoted. It’s because the economics of capitalism make it so that you either have to be a big company with a huge fund behind the push for some micropayment standard, or you are not taken seriously.
- nexthash 6y agoYour whitepaper promises an all-in-one utopian decentralization panacea for the Internet. On top of that you are piggybacking off of unsubstantiated crypto hype, even though cryptocurrencies have many problems (including lack of trust/recourse between parties due to decentralization). That might contribute to the reason you are finding no traction for your idea.
- jshevek 6y agoOn this site, at least, you will have fewer downvotes if you don't speculate about downvote motivation.
- nexthash 6y agoIn my opinion, having to shell out small bits of money every time you hit a paywall on the Internet is just as bad as having your data sold. I wish there was a viable pay-once-for-all alternative to microservices for the Web, possibly even integrated with your Internet service provider bill.
- thesuitonym 6y agoAh yes, let's go back to the cable paradigm, where I pay for four different versions of ESPN just because I want to watch Comedy Central.
- gidan 6y agoIf you want a serious paid alternative, there is graphcomment.com, the design is very neat, the team is very responsive to their user base. It’s still a human sized company. (Disclaimer: have been working for that company in the past)