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Exactly. This blog clearly showed that tracking remained even after switching to a paid plan. These companies have tasted the forbidden fruit of surveillance ca

Exactly. This blog clearly showed that tracking remained even after switching to a paid plan. These companies have tasted the forbidden fruit of surveillance capitalism and they won't roll back voluntarily.

Talanes 6y ago
The market-based approach wouldn't have these companies rolling back their surveillance, but consumers en masse moving over to paid, privacy-focused alternatives. I don't actually consider this remotely likely, but the world is getting weirder, so I'm not writing off the highly improbable so easily.
- unicornporn 6y ago
  There's an excellent example in this very thread on how politics (i.e. democracy) can trump capital. Read here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26034131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26034131 More on this: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=no&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnrkbeta.no%2F2019%2F12%2F18%2Fdisqus-delte-persondata-om-titalls-millioner-internettbrukere-uten-at-nettsidene-visste-om-det%2F https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=no&tl=en&u=htt... https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=no&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnrkbeta.no%2F2020%2F09%2F04%2Fdatatilsynet-mener-det-er-sannsynlig-at-disqus-har-brutt-personvernloven%2F https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=no&tl=en&u=htt...
- bachmeier 6y ago
  > The market-based approach wouldn't have these companies rolling back their surveillance, but consumers en masse moving over to paid, privacy-focused alternatives. I see what you're saying, but you're referring to something like a "market-based solution" to this problem. The one and only market-based outcome is the one we have. This is a case of imperfect information. There's no reason to expect a market-only approach to deliver a desirable outcome when one party has so much more information than the other.
  - Talanes 6y ago
    "What has happened is all that could happen" is surely not the best line of argument you have?

Talanes 6y ago

The market-based approach wouldn't have these companies rolling back their surveillance, but consumers en masse moving over to paid, privacy-focused alternatives. I don't actually consider this remotely likely, but the world is getting weirder, so I'm not writing off the highly improbable so easily.

unicornporn 6y ago
There's an excellent example in this very thread on how politics (i.e. democracy) can trump capital. Read here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26034131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26034131 More on this: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=no&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnrkbeta.no%2F2019%2F12%2F18%2Fdisqus-delte-persondata-om-titalls-millioner-internettbrukere-uten-at-nettsidene-visste-om-det%2F https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=no&tl=en&u=htt... https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=no&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnrkbeta.no%2F2020%2F09%2F04%2Fdatatilsynet-mener-det-er-sannsynlig-at-disqus-har-brutt-personvernloven%2F https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=no&tl=en&u=htt...
bachmeier 6y ago
> The market-based approach wouldn't have these companies rolling back their surveillance, but consumers en masse moving over to paid, privacy-focused alternatives. I see what you're saying, but you're referring to something like a "market-based solution" to this problem. The one and only market-based outcome is the one we have. This is a case of imperfect information. There's no reason to expect a market-only approach to deliver a desirable outcome when one party has so much more information than the other.
- Talanes 6y ago
  "What has happened is all that could happen" is surely not the best line of argument you have?