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This is only popular and presented as altruistic because toppling the Iranian regime aligns with the foreign policy of Western states. Now that's fine if you s

This is only popular and presented as altruistic because toppling the Iranian regime aligns with the foreign policy of Western states. Now that's fine if you support the expansion of global liberal democracy (which happens to be neither liberal or democratic) but just don't be deluded into believing this is some good guy vs bad guy scenario. As we speak, U.S media is advocating for the removal of Signal because Americans may also have access to encrypted private speech!

3np 6y ago
The good news is that regardless of framing, this doesn't discriminate US users either. You can see it as a Trojan horse if you will
Krasnol 6y ago
I am not in the US and this is popular to me because I'm happy to be able to help people out who are suppressed by their government. Not everything is a US conspiracy in geopolitics...
- throwitaway1235 6y ago
  That nation states do things to advance their interests globally is not a conspiracy. Foreign policy 101. Who is to say that the Western technocratic system of government replacing the current Iranian regime would not also be oppressive? I personally believe it would be vastly more oppressive.
  - Krasnol 6y ago
    > That nation states do things to advance their interests globally is not a conspiracy. Foreign policy 101. This level of argumentation is so beyond sense and reason that I'm not even sure which nation you're talking about. Iran is not advancing anything and Signal is not part of the US government. > Who is to say that the Western technocratic system of government replacing the current Iranian regime would not also be oppressive? I personally believe it would be vastly more oppressive. Nobody is saying that because you can't but you don't have to if you want to help people out who are opressed under a dictatorship.
    - throwitaway1235 6y ago
      Signal is an American company with it's headquarters in California. My point is that the global interests of nation states and their alliances are not only pursued through government channels but also through their influence on domestic private companies. I agree that my second point was too personal and unproductive.
      - Krasnol 6y ago
        > Signal is an American company with it's headquarters in California. My point is that the global interests of nation states and their alliances are not only pursued through government channels but also through their influence on domestic private companies. Please outline those channels which connect Signal to the US government. Otherwise please stop insulting me with this story. Selling basic human rights as some evil US government agenda is ridiculous.

3np 6y ago

The good news is that regardless of framing, this doesn't discriminate US users either. You can see it as a Trojan horse if you will

Krasnol 6y ago

I am not in the US and this is popular to me because I'm happy to be able to help people out who are suppressed by their government. Not everything is a US conspiracy in geopolitics...

throwitaway1235 6y ago
That nation states do things to advance their interests globally is not a conspiracy. Foreign policy 101. Who is to say that the Western technocratic system of government replacing the current Iranian regime would not also be oppressive? I personally believe it would be vastly more oppressive.
- Krasnol 6y ago
  > That nation states do things to advance their interests globally is not a conspiracy. Foreign policy 101. This level of argumentation is so beyond sense and reason that I'm not even sure which nation you're talking about. Iran is not advancing anything and Signal is not part of the US government. > Who is to say that the Western technocratic system of government replacing the current Iranian regime would not also be oppressive? I personally believe it would be vastly more oppressive. Nobody is saying that because you can't but you don't have to if you want to help people out who are opressed under a dictatorship.
  - throwitaway1235 6y ago
    Signal is an American company with it's headquarters in California. My point is that the global interests of nation states and their alliances are not only pursued through government channels but also through their influence on domestic private companies. I agree that my second point was too personal and unproductive.
    - Krasnol 6y ago
      > Signal is an American company with it's headquarters in California. My point is that the global interests of nation states and their alliances are not only pursued through government channels but also through their influence on domestic private companies. Please outline those channels which connect Signal to the US government. Otherwise please stop insulting me with this story. Selling basic human rights as some evil US government agenda is ridiculous.