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Stripe Canceled My Account Today

24 points by jhabdas 6y ago

edwinwee 6y ago
Hey Josh—we sent you an email from support@stripe.com a little bit ago. Once we figure that out we can get your account sorted. (Feel free to also CC me directly on your reply—edwin@stripe.com.) Sorry for the issues here.
- jhabdas 6y ago
  Great. I look forward to proving the error, though I shouldn't have to.
  - Craighead 6y ago
    You should, however, present evidence why you're unproven claims should be respected
phnofive 6y ago
Legality and efficacy aside, marketing unproven cures for bronchitis is a good a reason as any for a payment processor to steer clear.
- yawboakye 6y ago
  > Marketing unproven cures for bronchitis This is as Western as our mainstream thinking (and cockiness) gets. You know, evidence can only come from a lab with a prescribed setup, inspected and certified by my outlandishly smart scientists. And oh until then umm can we -force- everybody to not use it? I’m African and many of the medicines I’ve consumed and been cured with are unproven according whatever criteria you’d use. Sometimes it has been administered by a shaman following family tradition. It’s a sad state of affairs that somehow we’re certain we have discovered the single method of finding the single point truth and all other methods are wrong. Also considered certainly wrong is the idea that truth isn’t a point value but a spectrum and based on its utility to our short life, we lie peacefully in the spectrum or even out of it.
  - jfim 6y ago
    Drugs used to be less regulated until 1938, when tainted medication lead to over a hundred deaths: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_sulfanilamide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_sulfanilamide
    - dilutedh2o 6y ago
      Why not just let the natural selection play out
    - treeman79 6y ago
      I have a chronic condition. Medical community has been one of the biggest problems in finding treatment. Multiple years to work through a checklist of tests and medications to try. Flat out can’t get prescriptions for basic things like antibiotics. Even when a round of it always results in a couple months of dramatic symptom relief. At this point massive deregulation would be best gift ever.
      - namibj 6y ago
        Generally speaking, antibiotics should be more controlled, to prevent breeding resistant bacteria. I.e., ensuring that the treatment is done in full. You might want to look for bacteriophage treatment, which lacks many downsides (at the cost of needing matching like donor organs, and thus distribution infrastructure).
        treeman79 6y ago
        If people were serious about this then it would be highly restricted for livestock. Some years ago I suffering extreme chills for many days. I had to beg doctor for a round. She was mortified that I would want them. Next step was full ER visit while on a business trip out of state. So no insurance. Was fine after a few days. This happens every so often. Each time is a nightmare getting a prescription despite history.
      - phnofive 6y ago
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notRobot 6y ago
Firstly NextDNS won't even let me open your site: > habd.as is being blocked by Cryptojacking, Goodbye Ads, notracking and oisd. Then when I bypass that, I see this: You're selling an herb as a medicinal cure that hasn't been tested by labs or gone through human trials, could: * cause severe side effects to internal organs that aren't immediately visible on the outside * cause bad alergic reactions in some people * react badly with other medicines * very well kill someone. There's a reason that you have to go through a years (or even decades)-long process to get a medicine approved. You haven't even tried to go through that. I'm not saying this substance did not work for you - it might very well have. But you're a sample size of one. You have no idea about potential side effects or risks. Remember, just because something is "natural" doesn't mean it's safe. So yeah. I totally understand why a payment processor cancelled your account. You could literally kill someone with this stuff.
- jhabdas 6y ago
  Stripe reactivated my account already. I'll do everything I can to help get this miracle herb into the hands of Americans. If it was actually dangerous the FDA wouldn't have faltered when they tried to schedule it a few years ago. It wasn't a sample size of one that saw through their charade. Unfortunately most of that info is being erased from Twitter as we speak. Ignorance is bliss amirite?
bdcravens 6y ago
https://stripe.com/restricted-businesses https://stripe.com/restricted-businesses It explicitly calls out Kratom in their terms: "Sale of a legal substance that provides the same effect as an illegal drug (e.g., salvia, kratom)" If you argue against that definition, they provide a general catch-all for products that have are deemed illegal in certain jurisdictions: "...products and services with varying legal status on a state-by-state basis; goods or services, the sale of which is illegal under applicable law in the jurisdictions to which your business is targeted or directed" Kratom is illegal in several US states and in several countries: https://www.sprouthealthgroup.com/substances/is-kratom-legal-by-state/ https://www.sprouthealthgroup.com/substances/is-kratom-legal... I know you're clinging to the words "controlled substance", but the truth is Kratom violates Stripe's terms in multiple ways.
- jhabdas 6y ago
  Thanks for your comment. What I find most interesting isn't that Stripe tried to cancel my account (now reopened) but from where they got the information to make such a baseless decision in the first place. Regarding the "controlled substance" bit, Stripe actually says Kratom mimics known drugs which is false (nature doesn't mimic synthetics). I brought this obvious error up with Stripe in my Twitter DM and I'd bet dollars to donuts they don't have a say about it nor the power to change their own terms due to Capitalist US regulations working hard to keep Big Pharma's thumb on our noses.
  - bdcravens 6y ago
    > I'd bet dollars to donuts they don't have a say about it nor the power to change their own terms That's pretty clear given in their terms under the section titled, "Products or services that are otherwise restricted by our financial partners". Like most companies, they are beholden to their upstream providers.
overallduka 6y ago
The fact-checkers of medicine decided the truth for you, it's for your own good they say.
- jhabdas 6y ago
  You nailed it.

24 points by jhabdas 6y ago

Hey Josh—we sent you an email from support@stripe.com a little bit ago. Once we figure that out we can get your account sorted. (Feel free to also CC me directly on your reply—edwin@stripe.com.) Sorry for the issues here.

jhabdas 6y ago
Great. I look forward to proving the error, though I shouldn't have to.
- Craighead 6y ago
  You should, however, present evidence why you're unproven claims should be respected

phnofive 6y ago

Legality and efficacy aside, marketing unproven cures for bronchitis is a good a reason as any for a payment processor to steer clear.

yawboakye 6y ago
> Marketing unproven cures for bronchitis This is as Western as our mainstream thinking (and cockiness) gets. You know, evidence can only come from a lab with a prescribed setup, inspected and certified by my outlandishly smart scientists. And oh until then umm can we -force- everybody to not use it? I’m African and many of the medicines I’ve consumed and been cured with are unproven according whatever criteria you’d use. Sometimes it has been administered by a shaman following family tradition. It’s a sad state of affairs that somehow we’re certain we have discovered the single method of finding the single point truth and all other methods are wrong. Also considered certainly wrong is the idea that truth isn’t a point value but a spectrum and based on its utility to our short life, we lie peacefully in the spectrum or even out of it.
- jfim 6y ago
  Drugs used to be less regulated until 1938, when tainted medication lead to over a hundred deaths: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_sulfanilamide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_sulfanilamide
  - dilutedh2o 6y ago
    Why not just let the natural selection play out
  - treeman79 6y ago
    I have a chronic condition. Medical community has been one of the biggest problems in finding treatment. Multiple years to work through a checklist of tests and medications to try. Flat out can’t get prescriptions for basic things like antibiotics. Even when a round of it always results in a couple months of dramatic symptom relief. At this point massive deregulation would be best gift ever.
    - namibj 6y ago
      Generally speaking, antibiotics should be more controlled, to prevent breeding resistant bacteria. I.e., ensuring that the treatment is done in full. You might want to look for bacteriophage treatment, which lacks many downsides (at the cost of needing matching like donor organs, and thus distribution infrastructure).
      - treeman79 6y ago
        If people were serious about this then it would be highly restricted for livestock. Some years ago I suffering extreme chills for many days. I had to beg doctor for a round. She was mortified that I would want them. Next step was full ER visit while on a business trip out of state. So no insurance. Was fine after a few days. This happens every so often. Each time is a nightmare getting a prescription despite history.
    - phnofive 6y ago

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notRobot 6y ago

Firstly NextDNS won't even let me open your site: > habd.as is being blocked by Cryptojacking, Goodbye Ads, notracking and oisd. Then when I bypass that, I see this: You're selling an herb as a medicinal cure that hasn't been tested by labs or gone through human trials, could: * cause severe side effects to internal organs that aren't immediately visible on the outside * cause bad alergic reactions in some people * react badly with other medicines * very well kill someone. There's a reason that you have to go through a years (or even decades)-long process to get a medicine approved. You haven't even tried to go through that. I'm not saying this substance did not work for you - it might very well have. But you're a sample size of one. You have no idea about potential side effects or risks. Remember, just because something is "natural" doesn't mean it's safe. So yeah. I totally understand why a payment processor cancelled your account. You could literally kill someone with this stuff.

jhabdas 6y ago
Stripe reactivated my account already. I'll do everything I can to help get this miracle herb into the hands of Americans. If it was actually dangerous the FDA wouldn't have faltered when they tried to schedule it a few years ago. It wasn't a sample size of one that saw through their charade. Unfortunately most of that info is being erased from Twitter as we speak. Ignorance is bliss amirite?

bdcravens 6y ago

https://stripe.com/restricted-businesses https://stripe.com/restricted-businesses It explicitly calls out Kratom in their terms: "Sale of a legal substance that provides the same effect as an illegal drug (e.g., salvia, kratom)" If you argue against that definition, they provide a general catch-all for products that have are deemed illegal in certain jurisdictions: "...products and services with varying legal status on a state-by-state basis; goods or services, the sale of which is illegal under applicable law in the jurisdictions to which your business is targeted or directed" Kratom is illegal in several US states and in several countries: https://www.sprouthealthgroup.com/substances/is-kratom-legal-by-state/ https://www.sprouthealthgroup.com/substances/is-kratom-legal... I know you're clinging to the words "controlled substance", but the truth is Kratom violates Stripe's terms in multiple ways.

jhabdas 6y ago
Thanks for your comment. What I find most interesting isn't that Stripe tried to cancel my account (now reopened) but from where they got the information to make such a baseless decision in the first place. Regarding the "controlled substance" bit, Stripe actually says Kratom mimics known drugs which is false (nature doesn't mimic synthetics). I brought this obvious error up with Stripe in my Twitter DM and I'd bet dollars to donuts they don't have a say about it nor the power to change their own terms due to Capitalist US regulations working hard to keep Big Pharma's thumb on our noses.
- bdcravens 6y ago
  > I'd bet dollars to donuts they don't have a say about it nor the power to change their own terms That's pretty clear given in their terms under the section titled, "Products or services that are otherwise restricted by our financial partners". Like most companies, they are beholden to their upstream providers.

overallduka 6y ago

The fact-checkers of medicine decided the truth for you, it's for your own good they say.

jhabdas 6y ago
You nailed it.