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WebXR will not give you the same experience as a native app. For VR you're always pushing the limits of tech. VR in Safari will never be that.

gfodor 6y ago
This is not the best way to think about it - it’s not like mobile. WebXR offers distinct opportunities from native. It’s not a hierarchy. There are some things you can only do with one or the other.
modeless 6y ago
Well you're going to have to live with it because Apple will never allow porn apps on the App Store. They will certainly not allow alternative app distribution either. Safari is the only loophole you get on iOS, unless and until an antitrust court forces Apple to change.
- judge2020 6y ago
  For reference, this is a Steve Jobs policy (which is undoubtedly going to stay): > https://youtu.be/tJeEuxn9mug?t=1131 https://youtu.be/tJeEuxn9mug?t=1131
- TaylorAlexander 6y ago
  I mean it’s not just safari. You can find porn via the Twitter or Reddit apps to name a couple. Apple just won’t allow apps that are exclusively designed for porn.
acct776 6y ago
Why do you say that?
- randyrand 6y ago
  performance of javascript cannot match c++. Wasm helps. you also need state of the art decoders. And really, full GPU compute access. streaming will be a problem for awhile to come. youll want to download in advance, something that the web is not yet set up for. It’s doable, certainly. But the web will make most things harder. When smartphones came about h264 was already quite far along in adoption (released in 2003). VR video is not at that state. Maybe Apple has an answer for all this. But I don’t think so. VR video is still under development. By the time VR video is reasonable to do though, i expect things to progress on the web quickly, maybe lagging 6months-year.
  - rblatz 6y ago
    Numerous site serve up VR video, including porn sites. That already established.
    - pronlover723 6y ago
      This isn't about video, it's about 3D apps. The top 3D porn apps need power similar to the top AAA video games to simulate hair, physics, and to render realistic looking characters. In the same way AAA videos games don't run well in the browser., VR apps in the browser are just as bad. Also note: even if we're just talking video Safari does not support a webpage going fullscreen which is arguably required to do VR video. But just to be clear again, this isn't about videos, it's about high end real time 3D porn
    - randyrand 6y ago
      Not 6dof!
  - acct776 6y ago
    WASM doesn't just help, it and PWA (progressive web apps) will be exactly what you're looking for - for this and numerous other things. Google/Android is on board, Microsoft is making Outlook a PWA, so they're on board. All up to Apple to enjoy some pressure and get with the times.
    - randyrand 6y ago
      WASM is only for the CPU. It doesn’t solve the GPU.
tener 6y ago
Indeed, but it doesn't have to. It is a complementary tech. You have web apps which have no hope to match native apps with performance and yet people are using them thanks to ease of distribution etc.

gfodor 6y ago

This is not the best way to think about it - it’s not like mobile. WebXR offers distinct opportunities from native. It’s not a hierarchy. There are some things you can only do with one or the other.

modeless 6y ago

Well you're going to have to live with it because Apple will never allow porn apps on the App Store. They will certainly not allow alternative app distribution either. Safari is the only loophole you get on iOS, unless and until an antitrust court forces Apple to change.

judge2020 6y ago
For reference, this is a Steve Jobs policy (which is undoubtedly going to stay): > https://youtu.be/tJeEuxn9mug?t=1131 https://youtu.be/tJeEuxn9mug?t=1131
TaylorAlexander 6y ago
I mean it’s not just safari. You can find porn via the Twitter or Reddit apps to name a couple. Apple just won’t allow apps that are exclusively designed for porn.

acct776 6y ago

Why do you say that?

randyrand 6y ago
performance of javascript cannot match c++. Wasm helps. you also need state of the art decoders. And really, full GPU compute access. streaming will be a problem for awhile to come. youll want to download in advance, something that the web is not yet set up for. It’s doable, certainly. But the web will make most things harder. When smartphones came about h264 was already quite far along in adoption (released in 2003). VR video is not at that state. Maybe Apple has an answer for all this. But I don’t think so. VR video is still under development. By the time VR video is reasonable to do though, i expect things to progress on the web quickly, maybe lagging 6months-year.
- rblatz 6y ago
  Numerous site serve up VR video, including porn sites. That already established.
  - pronlover723 6y ago
    This isn't about video, it's about 3D apps. The top 3D porn apps need power similar to the top AAA video games to simulate hair, physics, and to render realistic looking characters. In the same way AAA videos games don't run well in the browser., VR apps in the browser are just as bad. Also note: even if we're just talking video Safari does not support a webpage going fullscreen which is arguably required to do VR video. But just to be clear again, this isn't about videos, it's about high end real time 3D porn
  - randyrand 6y ago
    Not 6dof!
- acct776 6y ago
  WASM doesn't just help, it and PWA (progressive web apps) will be exactly what you're looking for - for this and numerous other things. Google/Android is on board, Microsoft is making Outlook a PWA, so they're on board. All up to Apple to enjoy some pressure and get with the times.
  - randyrand 6y ago
    WASM is only for the CPU. It doesn’t solve the GPU.

tener 6y ago

Indeed, but it doesn't have to. It is a complementary tech. You have web apps which have no hope to match native apps with performance and yet people are using them thanks to ease of distribution etc.