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> A consumer gaming device can come later. They had a partnership with Valve back in 2017 for Vive support on MacOS... Just three years later it was canceled.

by yaomtc 6y ago

> A consumer gaming device can come later. They had a partnership with Valve back in 2017 for Vive support on MacOS... Just three years later it was canceled. (There were actually more VR games running on Linux at that point than on MacOS, thanks to Proton.) I'm not expecting Apple to try to enter the VR gaming space again anytime soon.

TheDong 6y ago
There are more games on the iOS app store than exist on steam. I don't think apple needs valve or steam's support to make their own VR gaming platform just as they didn't need their support to make iOS a larger app-store for games than steam is.
- lupinglade 6y ago
  I don’t think one can really compare the games on iOS to those on Steam.
  - sircastor 6y ago
    No, but you also couldn’t compare games on prior mobile devices to those which iOS enabled. I think the more appropriate thing to consider is that Apple has a lot of Developers familiar with its platform
  - dagw 6y ago
    The Oculus Quest has shown that a lot of people are very happy playing 'iOS' quality games on VR.
    - tramav 6y ago
      The Oculus Quest can also be used to play PCVR games.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  > There are more games on the iOS app store than exist on steam. What's the figure when you compute the total engineering-hours into the games, though?
  - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
    I see what you're getting at, but I think you probably want to look at total engineering hours per game if you want to get there. There were about 45,000 games on Steam at the end of 2020, based on what I've been able to pick up from news reports and Statista; there are over 950,000 games for iOS. Even presuming the average good iOS game takes fewer engineering hours and presuming there's more quick-buck cookie-cutter crap on iOS, there's almost certainly more engineering hours spent there than there is on any other platform. But, I think you're still on to something. The biggest strike against Apple in this space is the same strike they've always had: they've never seemed to take gaming truly seriously at a corporate level, by which I mostly mean courting (and spending money on) AAA-class developers. Maybe this will change, but they have a very long track record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in this area.
    - rowanG077 6y ago
      I don't agree. 99% of games on ios are cookie cutter or trivially small. I'd wager the average engineering hours put into a steam game is >100x the hours put into an average ios game.

by yaomtc 6y ago

TheDong 6y ago

There are more games on the iOS app store than exist on steam. I don't think apple needs valve or steam's support to make their own VR gaming platform just as they didn't need their support to make iOS a larger app-store for games than steam is.

lupinglade 6y ago
I don’t think one can really compare the games on iOS to those on Steam.
- sircastor 6y ago
  No, but you also couldn’t compare games on prior mobile devices to those which iOS enabled. I think the more appropriate thing to consider is that Apple has a lot of Developers familiar with its platform
- dagw 6y ago
  The Oculus Quest has shown that a lot of people are very happy playing 'iOS' quality games on VR.
  - tramav 6y ago
    The Oculus Quest can also be used to play PCVR games.
mhh__ 6y ago
> There are more games on the iOS app store than exist on steam. What's the figure when you compute the total engineering-hours into the games, though?
- chipotle_coyote 6y ago
  I see what you're getting at, but I think you probably want to look at total engineering hours per game if you want to get there. There were about 45,000 games on Steam at the end of 2020, based on what I've been able to pick up from news reports and Statista; there are over 950,000 games for iOS. Even presuming the average good iOS game takes fewer engineering hours and presuming there's more quick-buck cookie-cutter crap on iOS, there's almost certainly more engineering hours spent there than there is on any other platform. But, I think you're still on to something. The biggest strike against Apple in this space is the same strike they've always had: they've never seemed to take gaming truly seriously at a corporate level, by which I mostly mean courting (and spending money on) AAA-class developers. Maybe this will change, but they have a very long track record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in this area.
  - rowanG077 6y ago
    I don't agree. 99% of games on ios are cookie cutter or trivially small. I'd wager the average engineering hours put into a steam game is >100x the hours put into an average ios game.