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You can do both, and indeed they are both required. Fixing schools and the economy are the long term solution but we can’t let people be subjected to the inhuma

• dkdk8283 6y ago
  Being a minority has no bearing here: it’s just as tough on all humans.
  • triceratops 6y ago
    That's not true, actually. Statistically minorities fare worse in their encounters with the justice system.
    • dkdk8283 6y ago
      Citation please.
      • cycomanic 6y ago
        Not sure if you are genuine this was discussed at lot in the last year, below are two. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/16/black-men-sentenced-to-more-time-for-committing-the-exact-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/16/black... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5614457/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5614457/
        • cycomanic 6y ago
          So people are downvoting this because I provided citations that the GP asked for, seriously?!
        • CryptoPunk 6y ago
          Counter-evidence from a controlled experiment: https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=267470 https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=2674... tl;dr police were 25 times less likely to shoot an unarmed suspect in a simulation, if that suspect was black instead of white. A little bit of common sense explains why. It would simply be inconceivable that the officer who shot Daniel Shaver to death would have been acquitted had Shaver been black instead of white. The kind of social backlash that an acquittal in such a case would elicit would ensure the political and judicial system punish the officer.
          • vidarh 6y ago
            First of all, you and the person you responded to are giving examples that covers wildly different types of interactions, so it's not "counter-evidence". It does provide additional evidence for a certain type of interactions, however. With that said, there's a massive caveat here: This is based on simulations For it to be generally applicable you also need to then demonstrate that this matched real-world observed behaviour. On its own it is not at all obvious whether or not this accurately reflects anything at all. There are many possible confounding issues here. E.g. for starters a typical excuse in shootings is that the officers claim to have feared for their safety. You then need to account for whether or not the simulation accurate trigger the same fear, otherwise someone with a racial bias in what makes them scared in "real life" could be expected to act differently in a simulation where they know they're safe. I don't know whether that is the case or not, but there are many enough possible issues like this that a simulation only allow us to draw very limited conclusions here without a far more complicated experiment. Without understanding why.
            • CryptoPunk 6y ago
              Yes, data from real cases has significant advantages over a controlled experiment using simulations, but also significant disadvantages. Still, a 25 times lower likelihood of shooting a suspect if they are black in the simulation-based experiment.. That is entirely corroborated by what common sense would predict given the backlash a typical police officer would expect in the event that they shoot and kill a black suspect versus a white one.
  • imperio59 6y ago
    Being a minority tends to mean in America that you have a higher chance of growing up in areas with bad education, poor economic situations, and higher crime rates. These are all factors that lead people to poor mental health, to drug abuse, and subsequently to committing crimes (often to feed the addiction or due to poor education/limited opportunities). These problems aren't necessarily just problems minorities experience, white communities in poverty-stricken areas of the US have exactly the same issues (See Detroit for instance). It's just that there's more poor minority communities than there are white communities. We need to fix it for everyone, regardless of race.
    • CryptoPunk 6y ago
      >>Being a minority tends to mean in America that you have a higher chance of growing up in areas with bad education, poor economic situations, and higher crime rates. So I guess that would change once the majority of minorities are Asian. I think your focus should be socioeconomic status, not race.
      • saagarjha 6y ago
        The majority of minorities are not Asian and likely will not be anytime soon.
        • CryptoPunk 6y ago
          The point, minority status is not the cause of poor treatment by police, behavior and socioeconomic status is.