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>Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police. I dunno, that sounds pretty high to me, regardless of how high other
by Groxx 6y ago
>Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police.
I dunno, that sounds pretty high to me, regardless of how high other things are. https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793
Pretty extreme protection measures are already in place for much less common causes, e.g. fire, drowning: https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-mortality-risk#Odds%20Of%20Death%20In%20The%20United%20States%20By%20Selected%20Cause%20Of%20Injury,%202018%20(1) https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-mortalit... (though there are obvious opposites as well, e.g. opioids)
- faitswulff 6y agoThis one's fun†, too: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/08/police-shootings-are-leading-cause-death-young-american-men-new-research-shows/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/08/police-sh... "Among men of all races, ages 25 to 29, police killings are the sixth-leading cause of death, according to a study led by Frank Edwards of Rutgers University, with a total annual mortality risk of 1.8 deaths per 100,000 people. Accidental death, a category that includes automotive accidents and drug overdoses, was the biggest cause at 76.6 deaths per 100,000, and followed by suicide (26.7), other homicides (22.0), heart disease (7.0), and cancer (6.3)." † fun == sickening
- hn8788 6y agoIf you're aged 25-29 though, what else are you going to die of? Those 6 categories cover pretty much any way you can die except diseases.
- faitswulff 6y agoI mean, they could just not be killed.
- recursive 6y agoThose cases aren't represented in the list of top causes of death.
- ROARosen 6y agoIt says "police killings are the sixth-leading cause of death". "Police killings" by definition includes shootouts, when they were fired at fist, seriously threatened with firearms etc. Sure, police interaction can and should be strongly looked-at and there have been much too much unwarranted deaths by police but just attributing some cause-of-death ranking to police killings without justified/unjustified contextualization is downright misleading.
- manfredo 6y agoSo for every man killed by police (note that this is all police killings including those of armed suspects fighting the police) there's 42 people killed in accidents, 13 people commit suicide, 11 murdered by normal people's, 3.5 that die of heart disease, and 2 that die of cancer. And this is specifically for the demographic most likely to commit violent crime: young men. Another way of phrasing this is, "even among the gender and age group most likely to be killed by police, people are an order of magnitude more likely to die of accidents, at the hands of non-police, or by their own hand than at the hands of a police officer."
- trident5000 6y agoAnd over the course of life theres probably 1 in 1000 who try to commit life ending crime and have a deadly ending for themselves. I dont see an issue. This is 0.1% of the black community, the number isnt outrageous. Its probably similar to other races which happen to have much lower serious crime statistics and therefore less serious run-ins with the cops (so adjusted). Theres a small community of humans in general which are violent. African Americans are 13% of the US population but commit over 50% of the homicides in the country. This is public info. So thats why the rate would be elevated but is still small.
- lorax_108 6y agowow care to qualify that bit of information there little buddy? where is it public info? stormfront.org? uuughh conservatives are delusional...
- trident5000 6y agoThe FBI website statistics or statista as a shortcut to them.
- tadfisher 6y agoTaking your numbers at face value, it seems we have an inequity problem regardless of police involvement. The question becomes, why are Black people committing over 50% of homicides, and what impact does our current policing strategy have on that number?
- trident5000 6y agoSure, but thats not at all the point I'm addressing and is outside the scope of this conversation. Im not here to go deep down the rabbit hole with you on philosophy. Im just giving you the context on the numbers.
- tadfisher 6y agoI'm not sure what the scope of the conversation is, then. The article is a report on a novel mechanism to reduce crime (novel in the US, that is). Your claim, as I understand it, is that the absolute number of excess deaths from police action in the Black population correlates with the outsized representation of the Black population in homicides, and you don't see a problem with this (please correct me if I misunderstand). I hypothesize, admittedly through leading questions, that addressing said outsized representation through means other than policing may have a beneficial effect on the overall crime rate, which seems to align with the reporting in the article. Is there something I'm missing?
- tadfisher 6y agoFrom your link: > Our results show that people of color face a higher likelihood of being killed by police than do white men and women, that risk peaks in young adulthood, and that men of color face a nontrivial lifetime risk of being killed by police. This is a problem. Whether you believe it is due to racial discrimination, societal pressures, or something else, the fact that BIPOC are being killed by police at a higher rate is a problem worth solving.
- trident5000 6y agoDont commit over 50% of the homicides in the country despite being 13% of the population and the stats will go down. Not saying there cannot be underlying problems worth solving but lets not pretend like theres some grand plan for police to kill more black people than other races.
- minikites 6y ago>Dont commit over 50% of the homicides in the country despite being 13% of the population and the stats will go down. Why do you think the statistics look like this? You must have some reason for bringing it up.
- trident5000 6y ago"must have some reason for bringing it up" yeah because I'm literally answering the question.
- ThankYouBernard 6y agojesus fuck this place is basically becoming a white supremacist message board
- trident5000 6y agoSorry you have an issue with statistical facts and that equates to "white supremacy" to you. The rest of us are not going to dodge reality because its uncomfortable to discuss.
- imperio59 6y agoThis article has goods stats. https://quillette.com/2020/06/11/racist-police-violence-reconsidered/ https://quillette.com/2020/06/11/racist-police-violence-reco... TL;DR: looking at numbers killed by police in absolute is meaningless. You also need to consider how many of these deaths occurred while the person who was killed by cops was also armed with a gun or deadly weapon. Hint: most of the people who get shot and killed by cops were trying to harm those same cops.
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- tadfisher 6y agoI'm confused why you are comparing risk of death to police action versus other causes. The linked research shows that of all deaths attributed to police action, people of color are extremely over-represented for their proportion of the population subject to police action. What does risk of death from other causes have to do with this conversation, and why do you think the research contradicts the results presented in the article?
- Groxx 6y agoI'm working off this: >it's really not actually that big a problem, compared to say... Murders or violent crime. It seems big enough to be "a big problem".