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If you don't like it, don't live there. I certainly wouldn't live in a city run by "Blockchain LLC" - but I'm excited to see what other alternative forms of go

If you don't like it, don't live there. I certainly wouldn't live in a city run by "Blockchain LLC" - but I'm excited to see what other alternative forms of governance could be dreamed up. A requirement for these new local governments is that they operate on undeveloped, uninhabited land. More generally, there are two ways that people deal with dissatisfaction - "Voice" or "Exit". When things are bad, you can either try to reform them from within, or just leave and start a new system. Democracy is the former, freedom is the latter, and both are embodied in the U.S. system of federalism. Democracy tends to work better when things are "a little bad", freedom works better when things are "very bad", and I'd argue that the level of corruption and dysfunction in today's government might argue for the latter.

gabereiser 6y ago
>if you don’t like it, don’t live there Is privileged thinking. There are large portions of populations that lack resources to move. Democracy works when everyone at the table has their head about them, sadly lacking in today’s current affairs.
- nostrademons 6y ago
  ...and that's why freedom of movement should be a fundamental right. Which it technically is, under U.S. law [1], but there have been both economic (like housing policy) and legal [2] barriers enacted against it recently. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_Unit... [2] https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/right-to-free-movement.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/right-to-free-mo...
frongpik 6y ago
Such a law would give competitive advantage to evil businessmen who will own these plantations. Imagine you run a sandwich shop and pay respectful salaries to your employees. Then I open a shop across the street, but use slave labor, pay next to nothing and sell sandwiches twice cheaper.
- nostrademons 6y ago
  Your slave labor will all come work for my sandwich shop, because I give them better wages. Or if there's more good labor than can work for my sandwich shop, some will open their own sandwich shops, which will treat their employees worse than me but better than you, and you will go out of business. What stops this from happening is usually land-use restrictions and regulation - if your employees can't rent storefronts, then they can't compete with you. When those have been relaxed, this is in fact what happens: all the folks dissatisfied with working for you start food trucks and you get a vibrant foodie scene.
  - frongpik 6y ago
    Well, my employees are on special non-transferable visas and they can't just change jobs. In fact, it only takes me a call to department of labor to get any of them deported.
    - IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
      who are these american citizens with non transferable visas ? Because foreign work visas are already restricting to a specific employer, and do not seem relevant to this conversation

gabereiser 6y ago

>if you don’t like it, don’t live there Is privileged thinking. There are large portions of populations that lack resources to move. Democracy works when everyone at the table has their head about them, sadly lacking in today’s current affairs.

nostrademons 6y ago
...and that's why freedom of movement should be a fundamental right. Which it technically is, under U.S. law [1], but there have been both economic (like housing policy) and legal [2] barriers enacted against it recently. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_Unit... [2] https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/right-to-free-movement.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/right-to-free-mo...

frongpik 6y ago

Such a law would give competitive advantage to evil businessmen who will own these plantations. Imagine you run a sandwich shop and pay respectful salaries to your employees. Then I open a shop across the street, but use slave labor, pay next to nothing and sell sandwiches twice cheaper.

nostrademons 6y ago
Your slave labor will all come work for my sandwich shop, because I give them better wages. Or if there's more good labor than can work for my sandwich shop, some will open their own sandwich shops, which will treat their employees worse than me but better than you, and you will go out of business. What stops this from happening is usually land-use restrictions and regulation - if your employees can't rent storefronts, then they can't compete with you. When those have been relaxed, this is in fact what happens: all the folks dissatisfied with working for you start food trucks and you get a vibrant foodie scene.
- frongpik 6y ago
  Well, my employees are on special non-transferable visas and they can't just change jobs. In fact, it only takes me a call to department of labor to get any of them deported.
  - IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
    who are these american citizens with non transferable visas ? Because foreign work visas are already restricting to a specific employer, and do not seem relevant to this conversation