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> No, seriously, what ongoing action(s) of China “must be stopped” and what actions by whom are likely to succeed without causing more harm than that which woul

by ardy42 6y ago

> No, seriously, what ongoing action(s) of China “must be stopped” and what actions by whom are likely to succeed without causing more harm than that which would be stopped? I literally could give some likely possibilities of what they were specifically thinking about from memory, but it's basically a list of major news stories about the PRC from the past several years, which you're welcome to research yourself. > The win/loss/left-a-mess ratio of the US doesn’t engender positive predictions of future actions especially given how many are in endless overtime. Is it fatalistic to be realistic? The PRC is a genuinely difficult geopolitical problem. However, you seem to be taking Iraq and Afghanistan as your main precedents for action, when they'd be poor ones even if the US had been far more successful there.

adolph 6y ago
You literally can’t give any. Handwave “must be stopped” or “aighta be a law” all you want in your fantasyland of no consequences. I’ll take a tour of things at the top of my head: * North Korea: we have nada, nuke horse is out of the barn * Taiwan: prop up the post-KMT status quo and hope for the best * Hong Kong: nada * Nine dashed line (S China Sea): pray Navy doesn’t get shot up and apologize if they do [0] * Tibet: lost and forgotten neverland * India: duking it out for itself * Uighers: an “internal matter” Holocaust, see also Christians and the occasional Jack Ma * Global Warmer: the former industrialized nations exported their industry and pollution to places like China, what are we going to do, pay them to produce the same stuff but not pollute? Could have done the same with internal industry instead of outsourcing * Endangered species: slightly bright spot for some well loved species like rhino and elephant, too bad about the sharks and fisheries tho * Industrial espionage: ok, there’s room for work that might not make things worse 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident

by ardy42 6y ago

adolph 6y ago

You literally can’t give any. Handwave “must be stopped” or “aighta be a law” all you want in your fantasyland of no consequences. I’ll take a tour of things at the top of my head: * North Korea: we have nada, nuke horse is out of the barn * Taiwan: prop up the post-KMT status quo and hope for the best * Hong Kong: nada * Nine dashed line (S China Sea): pray Navy doesn’t get shot up and apologize if they do [0] * Tibet: lost and forgotten neverland * India: duking it out for itself * Uighers: an “internal matter” Holocaust, see also Christians and the occasional Jack Ma * Global Warmer: the former industrialized nations exported their industry and pollution to places like China, what are we going to do, pay them to produce the same stuff but not pollute? Could have done the same with internal industry instead of outsourcing * Endangered species: slightly bright spot for some well loved species like rhino and elephant, too bad about the sharks and fisheries tho * Industrial espionage: ok, there’s room for work that might not make things worse 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident