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But all countries have these questionable choices and histories... but we are just singing out China as evil... feels like propaganda. I agree democracy helps

But all countries have these questionable choices and histories... but we are just singing out China as evil... feels like propaganda. I agree democracy helps distribute power... I don’t agree it makes people more accountable. Or is inherently less/more “evil”. Compare China and US Covid response. Which one has held people more accountable, which one has been more evil?

consumer451 6y ago
"Evil" is just lazy shorthand. Unfair, unjust, not cool... many words could work here. Also, just because I am currently talking about the evils of the CCP does not spare other actors and systems from my derision. People seem to be easily led down the path of A vs B when the truth is always more complex. For example, the antique dichotomy of Capitalism vs Socialism is somehow still the main discussion. From my POV, history has clearly proven both doctrines as faulty in their pure forms. For years we have seen and lived the "third way" but somehow, it's still Capitalism vs Socialism in the conversation. The reaction to COVID clearly shows how plain dumb US capitalism really is. That doesn't excuse the CCP from anything.
- onethought 6y ago
  So all countries are unfair/unjust and no ones excused but let’s keep talking about Chinas bad... am I the only one that sees the bias? I hope somewhere on the Chinese version of HN there is someone saying “hey let’s stop gratuitously hating on the US”
  - consumer451 6y ago
    > So all countries are unfair/unjust and no ones excused but let’s keep talking about Chinas bad... In comment threads about China, yes. But also, you keep twisting my words. I never said China bad, I said CCP truly evil. > I hope somewhere on the Chinese version of HN... This is either disingenuous or very naïve. Please send me a link to a Chinese platform for open discourse where their own government can be criticized, like I criticize the US government in this thread, and I will donate $500 to the charity of your choice.
    - onethought 6y ago
      You don’t think Chinese have technical forums online? Save your $500. They do. You’re right they won’t criticise government so openly, but they will criticise the US (which is what I was saying) and they do criticise their own government but it’s usually through innuendo and pun rather than direct criticism. Where do you think Winnie the Pooh memes came from? This thread is about Huawei a Chinese company. Not the CCP... am I the one twisting words? Or does everything Chinese immediately get grouped up to CCP and hated on? I know an informed opinion of China when I see people make a distinction between Xi, CCP, and Chinese companies... they are not the same thing at all.

consumer451 6y ago

"Evil" is just lazy shorthand. Unfair, unjust, not cool... many words could work here. Also, just because I am currently talking about the evils of the CCP does not spare other actors and systems from my derision. People seem to be easily led down the path of A vs B when the truth is always more complex. For example, the antique dichotomy of Capitalism vs Socialism is somehow still the main discussion. From my POV, history has clearly proven both doctrines as faulty in their pure forms. For years we have seen and lived the "third way" but somehow, it's still Capitalism vs Socialism in the conversation. The reaction to COVID clearly shows how plain dumb US capitalism really is. That doesn't excuse the CCP from anything.

onethought 6y ago
So all countries are unfair/unjust and no ones excused but let’s keep talking about Chinas bad... am I the only one that sees the bias? I hope somewhere on the Chinese version of HN there is someone saying “hey let’s stop gratuitously hating on the US”
- consumer451 6y ago
  > So all countries are unfair/unjust and no ones excused but let’s keep talking about Chinas bad... In comment threads about China, yes. But also, you keep twisting my words. I never said China bad, I said CCP truly evil. > I hope somewhere on the Chinese version of HN... This is either disingenuous or very naïve. Please send me a link to a Chinese platform for open discourse where their own government can be criticized, like I criticize the US government in this thread, and I will donate $500 to the charity of your choice.
  - onethought 6y ago
    You don’t think Chinese have technical forums online? Save your $500. They do. You’re right they won’t criticise government so openly, but they will criticise the US (which is what I was saying) and they do criticise their own government but it’s usually through innuendo and pun rather than direct criticism. Where do you think Winnie the Pooh memes came from? This thread is about Huawei a Chinese company. Not the CCP... am I the one twisting words? Or does everything Chinese immediately get grouped up to CCP and hated on? I know an informed opinion of China when I see people make a distinction between Xi, CCP, and Chinese companies... they are not the same thing at all.