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> Obviously not, and that seems to be a deliberately obtuse interpretation for the intention of muddling debate. The insinuation is that there are many reasons

> Obviously not, and that seems to be a deliberately obtuse interpretation for the intention of muddling debate. The insinuation is that there are many reasons people may become "aggressive" and a lot of them involve someone else acting poorly. I've seen far more people acting aggressive to pedestrians without being provoked by the pedestrians because they're in a lot of internal distress (acting erratically, unkempt, possibly homeless) than I've seen pedestrians inciting "locals" to be aggressive back to them. Walk down a street and past someone muttering that they're about to murder a bunch of people and you might not go back that way next time. Sometimes "you were asking for it" isn't the explanation.

uoaei 6y ago
Evidence of exceptions does not disprove the rule. You already know this, I'm sure.
- majormajor 6y ago
  What do you think is the exception here? We're both making assumptions about what the original poster meant with their wording. In my experience, the normal, non-exceptional case, of aggressive behaviour between people on the street is unprovoked harassment by troubled individuals. (Or outright crime like being held up... but fortunately I haven't encountered this myself) That harrasment is hardly uncommon. I have a hard time thinking of other sorts of conflict or aggression I've seen walking around...
  - uoaei 6y ago
    > That harrasment [sic] is hardly uncommon. I have never experienced significant harassment, and I am a white male-presenting person in a city that is about 30% white. I've lived in various neighborhoods with varying levels of average income and demography. I would walk and bike basically everywhere that wasn't super hilly. I wonder what is different about your experience, the way you carry yourself, etc. that causes these interactions. > In my experience, the normal, non-exceptional case, of aggressive behaviour between people on the street is unprovoked harassment by troubled individuals. My experience is that those people usually know each other in some way. Have you ever taken the time to listen, or is it just too shocking to handle? The situation you describe would seem to be the exception. Compare to violent crimes like sexual assault or shootings, which are overwhelmingly perpetrated by people who already know the victim prior to the assault.
    - ndiscussion 6y ago
      I'm glad this has been your experience.. my experience in cities is largely limited - Portland, LA, Seattle, NYC. For me, I've encountered huge amounts of harassment in the first three cities. Oddly in NYC I didn't have a problem with it. In the first three, I've had problems in almost every neighborhood. I honestly believe that somehow, your experience has been very different. I'm not sure why that is... perhaps you have a higher anxiety tolerance than I do. But I've been followed onto the train by a person speaking about shadows, and how he knows people who do "really bad things", situations like that, more than I can count.
- kortilla 6y ago
  You’re the one making up rules here. Please provide some evidence showing that passerby harassed by people on the street are normally the initial aggressors.

uoaei 6y ago

Evidence of exceptions does not disprove the rule. You already know this, I'm sure.

majormajor 6y ago
What do you think is the exception here? We're both making assumptions about what the original poster meant with their wording. In my experience, the normal, non-exceptional case, of aggressive behaviour between people on the street is unprovoked harassment by troubled individuals. (Or outright crime like being held up... but fortunately I haven't encountered this myself) That harrasment is hardly uncommon. I have a hard time thinking of other sorts of conflict or aggression I've seen walking around...
- uoaei 6y ago
  > That harrasment [sic] is hardly uncommon. I have never experienced significant harassment, and I am a white male-presenting person in a city that is about 30% white. I've lived in various neighborhoods with varying levels of average income and demography. I would walk and bike basically everywhere that wasn't super hilly. I wonder what is different about your experience, the way you carry yourself, etc. that causes these interactions. > In my experience, the normal, non-exceptional case, of aggressive behaviour between people on the street is unprovoked harassment by troubled individuals. My experience is that those people usually know each other in some way. Have you ever taken the time to listen, or is it just too shocking to handle? The situation you describe would seem to be the exception. Compare to violent crimes like sexual assault or shootings, which are overwhelmingly perpetrated by people who already know the victim prior to the assault.
  - ndiscussion 6y ago
    I'm glad this has been your experience.. my experience in cities is largely limited - Portland, LA, Seattle, NYC. For me, I've encountered huge amounts of harassment in the first three cities. Oddly in NYC I didn't have a problem with it. In the first three, I've had problems in almost every neighborhood. I honestly believe that somehow, your experience has been very different. I'm not sure why that is... perhaps you have a higher anxiety tolerance than I do. But I've been followed onto the train by a person speaking about shadows, and how he knows people who do "really bad things", situations like that, more than I can count.
kortilla 6y ago
You’re the one making up rules here. Please provide some evidence showing that passerby harassed by people on the street are normally the initial aggressors.