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Voting machines didn’t steal the election. But most are terrible technology

23 points by samizdis 6y ago

hikerclimber 6y ago
yea they did. our government is rigged. i don't trust it anymore. its corrupt.
ddingus 6y ago
They are unnecessary. In every case, a simple human made record on physical media beats them in trust and overall cost and risk. Electronic records are not trustworthy, unless they are personally identifiable. Elections are different from pretty much every other case due to both anonymity and freedom for voters to vote or not. The most common correction? Printed, human readable vote records! Optical scan is nice! Human records counted on these can be audited and or hauled into court for a full count, under the public eye, if need be. Elections for profit really do not make any sense. Trustworthy civics are best done by people, using simple, production proven, time tested means. Policy is too important and the incentives to corrupt the process too high otherwise. Bonus! Simple human means scale. We always have enough people to get a reasonable outcome. At any given time, the elderly, and others not having full time work, or even those with work fkex time freedom are available to run the election. Could even compensate them and get through elections cheaper and with more trust than we can with increasingly complex devices. Friends don't suggest electronic voting to friends. I love tech, but for this use case, it is simply not a match.
stefantalpalaru 6y ago
"This study applies Benford’s law to detect anomalies in county-level vote data for the 2020 US presidential election. Most prominent distribution violations are observed with Republican vote counts in blue states, all vote counts in states won by the Democratic candidate, and Democratic vote counts in swing states. Distributions are anomalous in swing states won by the Democratic nominee and not anomalous in swing states won by the Republican nominee. The results are robust to two-digit analysis, Monte Carlo simulations of p-values, broad or narrow swing state definitions, and when compared to distributions observed in 2008, 2012, and 2016 elections." - Detecting Anomalies in the 2020 US Presidential Election Votes with Benford’s Law, https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3728626 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3728626
blacktriangle 6y ago
Keep believing demential Joe is the most popular politician in US history, don't question an election that triggered every red flag of a rigged election there is.
- samizdis 6y ago
  The article doesn't make any claim or assertion that President Biden "is the most popular politician in US history". I see nothing in your comment to substantiate either your slur of dementia against the President or to stand up the claim "that triggered every red flag of a rigged election there is".
quantified 6y ago
Maybe the lawsuits will get this terrible reality of voting machines aired to the public in a way that affects government purchasing and election operations. For example, machines that give you paper but internally tally the votes can give tally whatever they want, not what they showed you. That’s super attractive for abuse. I agree that paper only is most obvious and most reliable.

23 points by samizdis 6y ago

yea they did. our government is rigged. i don't trust it anymore. its corrupt.

They are unnecessary. In every case, a simple human made record on physical media beats them in trust and overall cost and risk. Electronic records are not trustworthy, unless they are personally identifiable. Elections are different from pretty much every other case due to both anonymity and freedom for voters to vote or not. The most common correction? Printed, human readable vote records! Optical scan is nice! Human records counted on these can be audited and or hauled into court for a full count, under the public eye, if need be. Elections for profit really do not make any sense. Trustworthy civics are best done by people, using simple, production proven, time tested means. Policy is too important and the incentives to corrupt the process too high otherwise. Bonus! Simple human means scale. We always have enough people to get a reasonable outcome. At any given time, the elderly, and others not having full time work, or even those with work fkex time freedom are available to run the election. Could even compensate them and get through elections cheaper and with more trust than we can with increasingly complex devices. Friends don't suggest electronic voting to friends. I love tech, but for this use case, it is simply not a match.

stefantalpalaru 6y ago

"This study applies Benford’s law to detect anomalies in county-level vote data for the 2020 US presidential election. Most prominent distribution violations are observed with Republican vote counts in blue states, all vote counts in states won by the Democratic candidate, and Democratic vote counts in swing states. Distributions are anomalous in swing states won by the Democratic nominee and not anomalous in swing states won by the Republican nominee. The results are robust to two-digit analysis, Monte Carlo simulations of p-values, broad or narrow swing state definitions, and when compared to distributions observed in 2008, 2012, and 2016 elections." - Detecting Anomalies in the 2020 US Presidential Election Votes with Benford’s Law, https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3728626 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3728626

blacktriangle 6y ago

Keep believing demential Joe is the most popular politician in US history, don't question an election that triggered every red flag of a rigged election there is.

samizdis 6y ago
The article doesn't make any claim or assertion that President Biden "is the most popular politician in US history". I see nothing in your comment to substantiate either your slur of dementia against the President or to stand up the claim "that triggered every red flag of a rigged election there is".

quantified 6y ago

Maybe the lawsuits will get this terrible reality of voting machines aired to the public in a way that affects government purchasing and election operations. For example, machines that give you paper but internally tally the votes can give tally whatever they want, not what they showed you. That’s super attractive for abuse. I agree that paper only is most obvious and most reliable.