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Ethics? I don't care too much if mouse company gets more money for their empire from me or not. Lets be real, that money more less goes to people that have noth

Ethics? I don't care too much if mouse company gets more money for their empire from me or not. Lets be real, that money more less goes to people that have nothing to do with people that create shows/content etc. But thats beside the point, I don't care much about it. I am adult, I earn money and at this point in my life my time IS worth money. If the effort/cost of watching a show it greater than firing up torrents, I will fire up torrents. Its not like pirating a show is free, there are hidden 'costs' involved (time == money). You have to manually track episodes you watch, and if interrupted, where you stopped mid episode. You have to get the right version/quality etc etc... All of it is some effort that you have to put in. When you are young or dont have much spare cash, that cost feels much smaller. Watching via Netflix et al. have none of those inconvenience 'costs'. Start netflix -> continue watching. Done. I am now watch it. However the moment that actual subscription costs and hassle of managing subscriptions exceedes 'cost of inconvinience' of piracy. I will pirate it. If I want to watch show X and netfix have only season 1-5 in EU and 1-7 in US, i will pirate it. I pay for netflix and I pirate its shows cuz for some reason even tho EU pays more for Netflix subscriptions we get reduced catalog! I am not sure why this seems so hard for business people to understand. You will never get all people to pay for the 'digital goods'. And thats ok. But the moment that you start throwing obstacles in the way of people willing to pay... well, thats just pushing your customers into BitTorrent arms. I myself only use Netflix at the moment, I am not going to buy disney+ just to watch mandalorian. Ethical/lawful or not, I don't care. I am a customer, you make an effort.

codyb 6y ago
"Ethical/lawful or not I don't care" -me_me_me Parody? I'm not sure. Seems like an attitude I'm relatively happy isn't super common in society. If I make a book, I don't "owe you an effort" just cause you don't want to make it available in a format you'd like to consume. And that doesn't give you the right to steal it from me. Now certainly everyone should live under a set of guidelines, no one should be certain efforts that do need to be made, say for accessibility reasons, and we do that as a society for a common good. But if you want to use Betamax and it's going to be expensive for me to support it, I don't owe you that. And it doesn't make it okay for you to just take my work because you will only use your own format. Edit: Also... small creators things get stolen constantly on the internet. It's a big problem for a lot of content creators and probably discourages people from making more art.
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- fossuser 6y ago
  The OPs argument is bad/stupid, but there is a real argument to be made here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26028392 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26028392
  - me_me_me 6y ago
    Your comment is bad/stupid. You are bringing nothing to this discussion.
    - fossuser 6y ago
      I regret saying stupid, too abrasive and I didn't intend it as a personal attack. My comment links to my actual argument.
      - me_me_me 6y ago
        That's fine. But its a hijack of a thread. I admitted my reasoning is not moralistically ethical or law abiding. My argument is that piracy is there for a reason. There was a huge dip in torrent usage at the dawn of Netflix, for a reason. The convenience of Netflix outweighed 'cost' of piracy. Now piracy is back up, why? Thats the reality of the world we are living in. The argument you linked is great and it makes sense. And shows issues with copyright etc. that is my long time belief. But the reality is that I pirate things when its more convenient to me. As a lot of people too. Saying otherwise is lying. And arguing how CP is bad and damaging doesn't change anything, because disney and company will uphold it no matter what.
        fossuser 6y ago
        Yeah I understand where you're coming from, I just find that argument doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. For example, if instead of piracy we were talking about stealing from a brick and mortar store it wouldn't be right to do it just because it's possible and easy to get away with it (or because the store didn't provide convenient service, etc.). File sharing is different for lots of reasons (digital goods are non-rival, the issue with copyright I mention in my comment) and it's those reasons that make the argument compelling (basically that modern copyright law is itself bad). I think just saying it's okay because you don't care about corporate profit actually weakens the ability to persuade people with the underlying arguments which I think are good and I don't think it's an ethical position that really holds up. Thoughtful people that see only those arguments (or worse 'information wants to be free') come away with a stronger defense of existing copyright law. I do think that companies should take it into account for pragmatic reasons and recognize that it's the real competition to not delivering high quality convenient service, but that's largely because it's not possible to enforce actual copyright law with the internet at scale - which is somewhat of a different issue. I don't think it's really hi-jacking the thread because I think the issue is so tightly coupled. I just didn't want to copy/paste my comment because that seemed like bad etiquette?
jfk13 6y ago
> Ethical/lawful or not, I don't care. As they'd say on reddit, "username checks out". While I can sympathise with plenty of your points, this statement is a huge red flag regarding your general attitude to the world. You're marking yourself as someone I don't think I'd care to do business with, or to have as a friend. (Not that I expect that matters to you. Just an observation.)
danaris 6y ago
> I don't care too much if mouse company gets more money While these are, indeed, shorts featuring a cartoon mouse, I would guess that "mouse company" is intended to refer to Disney, which is not, in fact, involved in this particular back-catalog streaming fiasco.

codyb 6y ago

"Ethical/lawful or not I don't care" -me_me_me Parody? I'm not sure. Seems like an attitude I'm relatively happy isn't super common in society. If I make a book, I don't "owe you an effort" just cause you don't want to make it available in a format you'd like to consume. And that doesn't give you the right to steal it from me. Now certainly everyone should live under a set of guidelines, no one should be certain efforts that do need to be made, say for accessibility reasons, and we do that as a society for a common good. But if you want to use Betamax and it's going to be expensive for me to support it, I don't owe you that. And it doesn't make it okay for you to just take my work because you will only use your own format. Edit: Also... small creators things get stolen constantly on the internet. It's a big problem for a lot of content creators and probably discourages people from making more art.

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fossuser 6y ago
The OPs argument is bad/stupid, but there is a real argument to be made here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26028392 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26028392
- me_me_me 6y ago
  Your comment is bad/stupid. You are bringing nothing to this discussion.
  - fossuser 6y ago
    I regret saying stupid, too abrasive and I didn't intend it as a personal attack. My comment links to my actual argument.
    - me_me_me 6y ago
      That's fine. But its a hijack of a thread. I admitted my reasoning is not moralistically ethical or law abiding. My argument is that piracy is there for a reason. There was a huge dip in torrent usage at the dawn of Netflix, for a reason. The convenience of Netflix outweighed 'cost' of piracy. Now piracy is back up, why? Thats the reality of the world we are living in. The argument you linked is great and it makes sense. And shows issues with copyright etc. that is my long time belief. But the reality is that I pirate things when its more convenient to me. As a lot of people too. Saying otherwise is lying. And arguing how CP is bad and damaging doesn't change anything, because disney and company will uphold it no matter what.
      - fossuser 6y ago
        Yeah I understand where you're coming from, I just find that argument doesn't really hold up to scrutiny. For example, if instead of piracy we were talking about stealing from a brick and mortar store it wouldn't be right to do it just because it's possible and easy to get away with it (or because the store didn't provide convenient service, etc.). File sharing is different for lots of reasons (digital goods are non-rival, the issue with copyright I mention in my comment) and it's those reasons that make the argument compelling (basically that modern copyright law is itself bad). I think just saying it's okay because you don't care about corporate profit actually weakens the ability to persuade people with the underlying arguments which I think are good and I don't think it's an ethical position that really holds up. Thoughtful people that see only those arguments (or worse 'information wants to be free') come away with a stronger defense of existing copyright law. I do think that companies should take it into account for pragmatic reasons and recognize that it's the real competition to not delivering high quality convenient service, but that's largely because it's not possible to enforce actual copyright law with the internet at scale - which is somewhat of a different issue. I don't think it's really hi-jacking the thread because I think the issue is so tightly coupled. I just didn't want to copy/paste my comment because that seemed like bad etiquette?

jfk13 6y ago

> Ethical/lawful or not, I don't care. As they'd say on reddit, "username checks out". While I can sympathise with plenty of your points, this statement is a huge red flag regarding your general attitude to the world. You're marking yourself as someone I don't think I'd care to do business with, or to have as a friend. (Not that I expect that matters to you. Just an observation.)

danaris 6y ago

> I don't care too much if mouse company gets more money While these are, indeed, shorts featuring a cartoon mouse, I would guess that "mouse company" is intended to refer to Disney, which is not, in fact, involved in this particular back-catalog streaming fiasco.