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US is reverting to early 20th century labor market norms, thanks to 'gig' economy and megacorps subverting unions. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/22/tech/amazo

US is reverting to early 20th century labor market norms, thanks to 'gig' economy and megacorps subverting unions. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/22/tech/amazon-nlrb-union-election/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/22/tech/amazon-nlrb-union-el... Only thing missing is union-busting Pinkerton thugs... https://www.npr.org/2020/11/30/940196997/amazon-reportedly-has-pinkerton-agents-surveil-workers-who-try-to-form-unions https://www.npr.org/2020/11/30/940196997/amazon-reportedly-h...

dusyshhhdudu 6y ago
As a gig worker I hope it stays, gig work has been a massive quality of life improvement for me. I think if the unions want to compete with us that's fine but the state shouldn't get to pick the winner.
- tomcam 6y ago
  I would love to hear more from you about this. It’s different from my intuition even though I too work for myself.
- 93po 6y ago
  The state is there to look after its people (in theory). If gig work doesn't provide livable wages and drives down wages or job availability for people looking for livable wages then it shouldn't be allowed
- SkyMarshal 6y ago
  As a brand new account can you prove you're actually a gig worker, and not some PR firm working for Uber to manage the online conversation about this topic?
  - yibg 6y ago
    What are you expecting as proof exactly? Government issued ID and payment from a gig?
    - rualca 6y ago
      Say what you may, but let's not pretend that there are no corporate shill accounts being used throughout all social media, specially when it's about posting pro-corporate messages with content that's borderline enthusiastic about an issue which is conflated with worker exploitation.
  - dang 6y ago
    Please don't harass new accounts. The odds that you're nailing some impersonator are much smaller than the odds that you're being a jerk to someone who you ought to be welcoming to the community. That's not the kind of place we want HN to be. Of course many new accounts aren't really new users, but that's not necessarily illegitimate. The site guidelines ask you to Assume good faith for a reason: communities that don't, end up turning on themselves and become poisonous, almost like an auto-immune disorder. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html It's particularly important to understand and abide by this guideline: "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." Internet users are far, far too quick to imagine they're seeing this and accuse someone else, someone perfectly innocent, of malicious manipulation. We don't want that here. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang%20astroturf&sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang%20astroturf&sort=byDat...
    - SkyMarshal 6y ago
      Oops sorry, I knew that but forgot, my apologies!
      - dang 6y ago
        Appreciated!
- cmxch 6y ago
  Not everyone has the luxury of meaningfully different choices. For many, the main task is finding the least bad out of a lot of bad options.
- rualca 6y ago
  > As a gig worker I hope it stays, gig work has been a massive quality of life improvement for me. I think if the unions want to compete with us that's fine but the state shouldn't get to pick the winner. The fact that you registered a brand new account to post what might be interpreted as a blatant pro-exploitation message doesn't help your argument.
  - dang 6y ago
    Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26039449 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26039449 and don't do this here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dusyshhhdudu 6y ago

As a gig worker I hope it stays, gig work has been a massive quality of life improvement for me. I think if the unions want to compete with us that's fine but the state shouldn't get to pick the winner.

tomcam 6y ago
I would love to hear more from you about this. It’s different from my intuition even though I too work for myself.
93po 6y ago
The state is there to look after its people (in theory). If gig work doesn't provide livable wages and drives down wages or job availability for people looking for livable wages then it shouldn't be allowed
SkyMarshal 6y ago
As a brand new account can you prove you're actually a gig worker, and not some PR firm working for Uber to manage the online conversation about this topic?
- yibg 6y ago
  What are you expecting as proof exactly? Government issued ID and payment from a gig?
  - rualca 6y ago
    Say what you may, but let's not pretend that there are no corporate shill accounts being used throughout all social media, specially when it's about posting pro-corporate messages with content that's borderline enthusiastic about an issue which is conflated with worker exploitation.
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't harass new accounts. The odds that you're nailing some impersonator are much smaller than the odds that you're being a jerk to someone who you ought to be welcoming to the community. That's not the kind of place we want HN to be. Of course many new accounts aren't really new users, but that's not necessarily illegitimate. The site guidelines ask you to Assume good faith for a reason: communities that don't, end up turning on themselves and become poisonous, almost like an auto-immune disorder. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html It's particularly important to understand and abide by this guideline: "Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data." Internet users are far, far too quick to imagine they're seeing this and accuse someone else, someone perfectly innocent, of malicious manipulation. We don't want that here. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang%20astroturf&sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang%20astroturf&sort=byDat...
  - SkyMarshal 6y ago
    Oops sorry, I knew that but forgot, my apologies!
    - dang 6y ago
      Appreciated!
cmxch 6y ago
Not everyone has the luxury of meaningfully different choices. For many, the main task is finding the least bad out of a lot of bad options.
rualca 6y ago
> As a gig worker I hope it stays, gig work has been a massive quality of life improvement for me. I think if the unions want to compete with us that's fine but the state shouldn't get to pick the winner. The fact that you registered a brand new account to post what might be interpreted as a blatant pro-exploitation message doesn't help your argument.
- dang 6y ago
  Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26039449 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26039449 and don't do this here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html