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I actually left an early job because it didn't offer a 4x10. 4x10 is amazing. Your work days are your work days, but the extra day off is amazing. You can actu
by random5634 6y ago
I actually left an early job because it didn't offer a 4x10.
4x10 is amazing. Your work days are your work days, but the extra day off is amazing. You can actually go do stuff.
My own view - everyone should switch to 4x10 or at least have it as an option.
Now I'm working crazy hours so all a dream anyways these days.
Note 4x10 shifts are not new in warehousing (or even in mfg).
- alteria 6y agoPresumably this was an office job? It might be a little different with a warehouse job that has very productivity targets set from above.
- random5634 6y agoYes. No disagreement there. However, I used to do some other work where I was on longer but thought less. In this other job I'd put headsets on and just listen to podcasts and music while working, and when I was done, I was DONE. Any problems were someone elses to deal with. One problem I have with office work is that it can be hard to leave "at the office" when you are behind. People expect problems to be solved, and if you don't solve them they wait for you the next morning. This has really impacted me badly at times (trouble sleeping etc). My dream scenario - 4x10 and then somehow have no risk of stuff hanging over me to get done the next week!
- mey 6y agoIs that better/worse with manual labor? In software dev, I tend to fluctuate how productive I can be for an extended period, so being useful (instead of just ass in seat) for 10 hours seems rough. Granted some days I go for 12 but that's unhealthy and mostly because I get into a groove I am not interested in breaking.
- oflannabhra 6y agoI’ve worked the following: 4x10 - desk job overnight 3x12 - desk job overnight 5x8 - manual job 4x10 - manual job 5x8 - desk job 4x10 beat 5x8, regardless of workload. I wish I could do it now.
- Arrath 6y agoAgreed, 4x10's are the best ever. On one construction project the weather was much better than expected so we were allowed to start a new phase two months early, but the project manager only allowed us 40 hours/wk, so I put my crew on 4x10 and it was the best few months, the guys loved it.
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- serjester 6y agoI used to work 12 hour shifts 6 days a week throughout my summers in college landscaping. Honestly wasn’t as bad as you’d think. There was a shared camaraderie that you don’t find in white collar jobs that honestly made it pretty fun. Obviously not sustainable for someone with actual responsibilities but with that said I’d be far more miserable if I tried to pull that off in the office.
- random5634 6y agoYes - I once worked a summer job like that - one downside - talk about work hard party hard - you are with a group that can go just crazy on days off.
- pwinnski 6y agoWorking at a station, you can build up camaraderie. Working as a picker, moving around a warehouse on your feet at a fast clip, not so much.
- wesapien 6y agoYou have a lower risk of physical injury in a desk job. Compare finger fudging your code to bumping warehouse shelves with a lift and causing a bunch of it to fall down.
- dunefox 6y ago4x10 is almost as bad as 5x8. 4x8 would be a real improvement.
- thatguy0900 6y agoFor a few glorious weeks in a past job I managed to work 2x16 1x8, yeah those days really sucked but you get a 4 day vacation every single week.i don't think any employer would want to offer such a schedule but I would probably be willing to take a paycut to get it back.
- jfengel 6y agoI'd be reluctant to have an employee work regular 16 hour days, much less two in a row. It's not impossible that that 16th hour would be productive, but I'd put the burden of proof on them. Especially if we were talking about any kind of creative work, including programming. I'd rather have an employee work 2x12+1x8. I'd rather they give me 32 productive hours than 32 productive ones + 8 dubious ones. I'm aware that we frequently make doctors and nurses work those kinds of shifts. And people die because of it. I would much rather we reoriented the system so that we didn't have to require that of them.
- deeblering4 6y agoSure, a 4x10 would be workable if the hours fit roughly into a traditional household schedule. But 4x 1:20a-11:50a shifts per week would make it impossible to get your kids ready for school. And you'd be sleeping when it's time for dinner, or homework. Not to mention having time for a relationship with your spouse. Etc, etc. The shift they outline in the article sounds miserable.
- ggggggt 6y agoYou shouldn't be raising a family if you are doing bottomtier warehouse work.
- lfowles 6y agoAre they fundamentally incompatible other than arbitrary restrictions applied by the business?
- SerLava 6y agoYou shouldn't be posting if you are doing bottomtier rhetoric.
- dang 6y agoPlease don't post flamewar comments to HN. We're trying to avoid that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- random5634 6y agoI've come to realize that if Amazon does something, it gets a ton of coverage. 4x10 shifts are not a new concept. This article makes it sound like what is pretty standard warehouse stuff is a new diabolical amazon plan to create the soul crushing "megacycle". And working nights is not new. Anyone who has had to deal with 24x7 staffing (police, guard, nursing, flying etc etc) has had come up with approaches for night shift work (which is definitely terrible). Heads up, the non-megacycle night shift is also no fun for a lot of people. That said, night shift work is miserable. No question there!
- blackrock 6y agoIt’s better if we can just switch to a 4 day per week schedule. And still work 8 hours a day. We don’t work on farms anymore. Software Automation, machines, and robots are everywhere now. But the capitalist bozos owns all of them. If they don’t want to pay higher wages, then make them pay for it by giving people more time off.
- ifoundthetao 6y agoAgreed. I worked 4-10's before, and I looooved it. It was awesome. I had Wednesdays and weekends off.