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As if it was that simple; no it's not as simple as decentralization > centralisation. You might not agree with everything (I don't) but this video provides some

by tleb_ 6y ago

As if it was that simple; no it's not as simple as decentralization > centralisation. You might not agree with everything (I don't) but this video provides some good points https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj3YFprqAr8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj3YFprqAr8 I trust Signal to try their hardest to solve communication, spitting on them is not the solution.

pseudalopex 6y ago
I didn't watch the video but his article with the same title is almost entirely bad points.[1] Email is end to end encrypted for people who make it a priority. It would be end to end encrypted for everyone if Google or Microsoft made it a priority. The difference between XMPP and Signal is funding. Signal supports video on all platforms because Open Whisper Systems hired people to work on it. XMPP didn't because the popular clients are developed by volunteers. People don't like using lots of messaging apps. So switching apps is much harder than changing your email address because you have to convince other people to switch. Even Signal is moving away from using phone numbers. [1] https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/ https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
- jampekka 6y ago
  Signal's been "moving away from using phone numbers" for almost as long as it's been developed. They've burned tens of millions of dollars and have nothing to show for it on that front. Also they insist of making piece of shit bloatware clients and actively kill every attempt for someone to fix it. Because Moxie is always right apparently. I really hope the situation is just due to incompetence and hubris.
baybal2 6y ago
It's simple, very simple. XMPP is by far more fluid, and "productive" when it comes adding new protocol features, or at least if you compare it with Signal. Marlinspike is making up the problem. A messaging client is as agile as its developers are, and in case of Signal, not that much. Evolving a protocol, and developing new features is done by doing programming, and not by some philosophical discourses, and pooing over the competition on tech events.

by tleb_ 6y ago

pseudalopex 6y ago

I didn't watch the video but his article with the same title is almost entirely bad points.[1] Email is end to end encrypted for people who make it a priority. It would be end to end encrypted for everyone if Google or Microsoft made it a priority. The difference between XMPP and Signal is funding. Signal supports video on all platforms because Open Whisper Systems hired people to work on it. XMPP didn't because the popular clients are developed by volunteers. People don't like using lots of messaging apps. So switching apps is much harder than changing your email address because you have to convince other people to switch. Even Signal is moving away from using phone numbers. [1] https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/ https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/

jampekka 6y ago
Signal's been "moving away from using phone numbers" for almost as long as it's been developed. They've burned tens of millions of dollars and have nothing to show for it on that front. Also they insist of making piece of shit bloatware clients and actively kill every attempt for someone to fix it. Because Moxie is always right apparently. I really hope the situation is just due to incompetence and hubris.

baybal2 6y ago

It's simple, very simple. XMPP is by far more fluid, and "productive" when it comes adding new protocol features, or at least if you compare it with Signal. Marlinspike is making up the problem. A messaging client is as agile as its developers are, and in case of Signal, not that much. Evolving a protocol, and developing new features is done by doing programming, and not by some philosophical discourses, and pooing over the competition on tech events.