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???????????? As someone from europe, the american democrats are in no way extreme on abortion, I would say they are somewhat centrist, maybe even slightly cons

???????????? As someone from europe, the american democrats are in no way extreme on abortion, I would say they are somewhat centrist, maybe even slightly conservative.

tptacek 6y ago
We are to the left of Germany, France, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. I stopped looking after that, so I don't know if there's a country we're to the right of. (Rayiner is wrong about the "right up to birth thing"; as many have pointed out, even in Europe, where there are often bright-line cutoffs on abortion by pregnancy week, there's still medical abortion after that. So the answer to his "name another" question is "most European countries".)
rayiner 6y ago
Based on what? In the U.S., Roe protects elective abortions (i.e. abortion on demand) up to viability, 20-24 weeks. Almost all European countries ban on-demand abortions after the first trimester (10-14 weeks): https://www.loc.gov/law/help/abortion-legislation/europe.php https://www.loc.gov/law/help/abortion-legislation/europe.php Lots of other issues are tied up in this one. E.g. federal funding of abortions would result in public funding on-demand second trimester abortions that would be illegal in most European countries.
- pelliphant 6y ago
  Abortion laws in europe isn't decided by our most liberal parties. The first trimester rules you mentioned are usually what everyone can agree on. Example one: In my country (Sweden), a high-ranking party-poard member of our conservative christian party just got into a lot of trouble because it was found out that they had been a member of an anti-abortion organization 10 years ago, and now had to publicly state that they now support the first-trimester abortion rules (Personally, I think it's a lie, but this is what you have to do over here to not ruin your political career, even in the conservative christian party).

???????????? As someone from europe, the american democrats are in no way extreme on abortion, I would say they are somewhat centrist, maybe even slightly conservative.

tptacek 6y ago

We are to the left of Germany, France, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. I stopped looking after that, so I don't know if there's a country we're to the right of. (Rayiner is wrong about the "right up to birth thing"; as many have pointed out, even in Europe, where there are often bright-line cutoffs on abortion by pregnancy week, there's still medical abortion after that. So the answer to his "name another" question is "most European countries".)

rayiner 6y ago

Based on what? In the U.S., Roe protects elective abortions (i.e. abortion on demand) up to viability, 20-24 weeks. Almost all European countries ban on-demand abortions after the first trimester (10-14 weeks): https://www.loc.gov/law/help/abortion-legislation/europe.php https://www.loc.gov/law/help/abortion-legislation/europe.php Lots of other issues are tied up in this one. E.g. federal funding of abortions would result in public funding on-demand second trimester abortions that would be illegal in most European countries.

pelliphant 6y ago
Abortion laws in europe isn't decided by our most liberal parties. The first trimester rules you mentioned are usually what everyone can agree on. Example one: In my country (Sweden), a high-ranking party-poard member of our conservative christian party just got into a lot of trouble because it was found out that they had been a member of an anti-abortion organization 10 years ago, and now had to publicly state that they now support the first-trimester abortion rules (Personally, I think it's a lie, but this is what you have to do over here to not ruin your political career, even in the conservative christian party).