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Let’s just post these articles here. > They proposed cuts in spending on food for migrants, as well as on medical care and supervision of detainees, according

by wil421 6y ago

Let’s just post these articles here. > They proposed cuts in spending on food for migrants, as well as on medical care and supervision of detainees, according to interviews with people who worked on the project for both ICE and McKinsey and 1,500 pages of documents obtained from the agency after ProPublica filed a lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act.[1] [1]https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/03/us/mckinsey-ICE-immigration.amp.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/03/us/mckinsey-ICE-immigrati... The CEO of Enron was a former McKinsey consultant and helped them transition from an Oil and Gas company. Arthur Anderson was just the firm left holding the bag at the end. [2] [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Skilling https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Skilling McKinsey helping dictators. [3] [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/15/world/asia/mckinsey-china-russia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/15/world/asia/mckinsey-china... > On October 20th, the Times reported that the government of the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, had employed operatives to harass dissidents, including the Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, who was allegedly murdered inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, on October 2nd. The article included the revelation that McKinsey had prepared a nine-page report measuring the public perception of certain Saudi economic policies, and cited three individuals who were driving much of the largely negative coverage on Twitter: a Saudi Arabia-based writer named Khalid al-Alkami, a dissident living in Canada named Omar Abdulaziz, and an anonymous writer. After the report was created, Al-Alkami was arrested, and Abdulaziz’s brothers living in Saudi Arabia were put in prison. The anonymous Twitter channel was shut down.[4] [4] https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/mckinseys-work-for-saudi-arabia-highlights-its-history-of-unsavory-entanglements https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/mckinseys-work-for-...

klmadfejno 6y ago
ICE was very bad. A lot of internal strife and change over those (and opiods). Enron and china I'm not really familiar with. The Saudi one is, in my opinion, not a an accurate portrayal. My understanding is McKinsey did not create a report for the Saudi gov't on it and that it was someone who chose a deeply unfortunate example to demo some social network analysis stuff, internally, and not intended to be shared.
- cryoshon 6y ago
  when your consultancy keeps doing terrible things over and over, it isn't "unfortunate". "unfortunate" implies that there was bad luck, which isn't the case. all of these actions were fully intentional because that's mckinsey's business model: providing third-party and elite-friendly approval for the unpalatable or unethical. you mention "internal strife and change" after the latest trouble. i can tell from your attempt at dissimulation that you don't even believe what you're writing. a few years from now, we'll have a handful of other stories about newly revealed terrible things mckinsey did. you will bear some responsibility for these things, and you will probably brush it off. in the meantime, you're up and down this thread, trying to make excuses for the inexcusable by parroting the company line. it's an easy mistake to make when your paycheck depends on it. you are part of the problem, especially if you don't think you are.
  - klmadfejno 6y ago
    I believe what I'm writing, and it's not the company line. I'm explicitly not giving the company a pass. I strongly disagree that providing approval for unethical or unpalatable decisions are what the company does. I would not work for McKinsey to serve, e.g. an oil and gas company personally, no matter the topic. But I feel good about what I do.

by wil421 6y ago

klmadfejno 6y ago

ICE was very bad. A lot of internal strife and change over those (and opiods). Enron and china I'm not really familiar with. The Saudi one is, in my opinion, not a an accurate portrayal. My understanding is McKinsey did not create a report for the Saudi gov't on it and that it was someone who chose a deeply unfortunate example to demo some social network analysis stuff, internally, and not intended to be shared.

cryoshon 6y ago
when your consultancy keeps doing terrible things over and over, it isn't "unfortunate". "unfortunate" implies that there was bad luck, which isn't the case. all of these actions were fully intentional because that's mckinsey's business model: providing third-party and elite-friendly approval for the unpalatable or unethical. you mention "internal strife and change" after the latest trouble. i can tell from your attempt at dissimulation that you don't even believe what you're writing. a few years from now, we'll have a handful of other stories about newly revealed terrible things mckinsey did. you will bear some responsibility for these things, and you will probably brush it off. in the meantime, you're up and down this thread, trying to make excuses for the inexcusable by parroting the company line. it's an easy mistake to make when your paycheck depends on it. you are part of the problem, especially if you don't think you are.
- klmadfejno 6y ago
  I believe what I'm writing, and it's not the company line. I'm explicitly not giving the company a pass. I strongly disagree that providing approval for unethical or unpalatable decisions are what the company does. I would not work for McKinsey to serve, e.g. an oil and gas company personally, no matter the topic. But I feel good about what I do.