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Would this run on plain Debian on the PI? Raspbian took a turn that makes me think one should not use it anymore: https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/heads-u

Would this run on plain Debian on the PI? Raspbian took a turn that makes me think one should not use it anymore: https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/heads-up-microsoft-repo-secretly-installed-on-all-raspberry-pis-linux-os/ https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/heads-up-microsoft-repo... Sweeping in a repo by a third party is a bad thing imo.

_joel 6y ago
I can't see an issue running it on Debian or Ubuntu for that matter
taneq 6y ago
Wow that sucks. If they must install VSCode they should use VSCodium which omits the telemetry.
azinman2 6y ago
> Microsoft may collect more info about RPi and Linux users as many try to reduce their digital footprint such as your IP address and build a profile about you. So Microsoft, assuming they want to go the extra effort (these are likely unconnected infrastructure pieces) could build a fingerprint of you to know that.. what, you have a raspberry pi? And they could go to extreme lengths to associate this with your GitHub account to know that yes you, John Smith, have a raspberry pi? What business value is this for them, and how could it be used for “evil”?
- derivagral 6y ago
  In the future, coordination across Github, Linkedin, and other properties of theirs could exist (e.g. Facebook & Oculus). The not-that-nefarious-but-annoying one I can come up with immediately is better targeting for recruiter spam on LinkedIn based on hobby projects, code language, and Linkedin/Github connection graphs. I know they have ads on Bing that could benefit as well, but I don't know if they run their own ad network or how those things might tie together. I think others could probably give the "evil" part a better take. Mine is just an unfounded guess around business/market research and future competition.
  - azinman2 6y ago
    Firstly, I wouldn't underestimate the level of separation between fiefdoms in Microsoft. LinkedIn, Bing, Github... these are all pretty different parts of the company. Secondly, so LinkedIn is better able to target people who own a raspberry pi? I'm not even sure what kind of signal that gives you (could correlated to a wide variety of things), but given it's 1-bit nature... ok so I'm headhunted more or less specifically a tiny bit? I can't imagine this is even worth the engineering time at Microsoft, but if it is somehow, I still don't see the big deal here. To me it just sounds like a general distrust of Microsoft compared to the Raspberry Pi foundation. I just wish it was more framed as 'I don't like Microsoft, no matter how rational or irrational this fear is.' I'd respect that far more than alluding to some potential tangible harm cross referencing that you own a Raspberry Pi with your github profile. You already declare what you own in your user agent when you use github to begin with -- why is an RPI so different and that much worse?
    - fartcannon 6y ago
      Would you object to google or facebook getting private keys installed on your computer without being asked? How about a repo just for the CCP/US Gov/Russia?
      - azinman2 6y ago
        The private keys are specifically for accessing a repo, which is also easy to disable. No, I wouldn't object if I was downloading software from them: I'd want it to be cryptographically verified. Similarly, I accept an OS with keys from Google and all kinds of people and governments in the form of SSL root certificate trust. If I was getting software from the CCP/US Gov/Russia then that would also be fine. Here I'm not, it's a repo for VSCode from Microsoft. Context matters.
        fartcannon 6y ago
        For the rest of us, I guess the canary died.
e2le 6y ago
“Microsoft bashing.” Such a strange reason to give for locking a thread concerning these recent changes to Raspbian.
Uehreka 6y ago
The author complains that if VS Code is to be included, then at the very least it should be on a special version of RPi OS “for kids” because other people just want to run RPi’s headless. The thing is, Raspberry Pi OS already works like this: there’s a Lite (headless) version, a desktop version, and a desktop version “with recommended software”. VS Code is almost certainly only in that last one. So you can even run a “headful” RPi without it! With all that said, I’m glad they’re including VS Code in the recommended software. In the past I’ve tried compiling it from source, but given the Pi’s limited CPU muscle it takes a long time. https://www.raspberrypi.org/software/operating-systems/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/software/operating-systems/
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  > VS Code is almost certainly only in that last one One might think that. One would be wrong. It appears to be in the headless version and up.
- ArtTimeInvestor 6y ago
  I’m glad they’re including VS Code The problem is not including VS Code in their distros repo. The problem is adding a third party repo to their distro.
  - FDSGSG 6y ago
    >The problem is adding a third party repo to their distro Why is that a problem? Lets not pretend that the article you linked actually provides a legitimate answer to this question.
    - forty 6y ago
      It's like if you let the key to your house to a friend you trust, then that friend let your key to someone else without asking you. It is not okay.
      - fartcannon 6y ago
nemothekid 6y ago
1. Raspbian goals seem to be for the OS is to provide an educational platform. I don’t see it as nefarious that they would include VSCode, given they install a number of other components (e.g. matlab) on the basic install. If you don’t need that, they offer the lite version. 2. If you are thinking about playing video you need Rasbian’s closed source drivers and if you are using ffmpeg, you will want their custom build that has hardware acceleration for the pi.
- ArtTimeInvestor 6y ago
  This is not about which software Raspbian includes in their distro. It is about that they have added a third party repo to their distro. So even people who do not use the software are affected.

_joel 6y ago

I can't see an issue running it on Debian or Ubuntu for that matter

taneq 6y ago

Wow that sucks. If they must install VSCode they should use VSCodium which omits the telemetry.

azinman2 6y ago

> Microsoft may collect more info about RPi and Linux users as many try to reduce their digital footprint such as your IP address and build a profile about you. So Microsoft, assuming they want to go the extra effort (these are likely unconnected infrastructure pieces) could build a fingerprint of you to know that.. what, you have a raspberry pi? And they could go to extreme lengths to associate this with your GitHub account to know that yes you, John Smith, have a raspberry pi? What business value is this for them, and how could it be used for “evil”?

derivagral 6y ago
In the future, coordination across Github, Linkedin, and other properties of theirs could exist (e.g. Facebook & Oculus). The not-that-nefarious-but-annoying one I can come up with immediately is better targeting for recruiter spam on LinkedIn based on hobby projects, code language, and Linkedin/Github connection graphs. I know they have ads on Bing that could benefit as well, but I don't know if they run their own ad network or how those things might tie together. I think others could probably give the "evil" part a better take. Mine is just an unfounded guess around business/market research and future competition.
- azinman2 6y ago
  Firstly, I wouldn't underestimate the level of separation between fiefdoms in Microsoft. LinkedIn, Bing, Github... these are all pretty different parts of the company. Secondly, so LinkedIn is better able to target people who own a raspberry pi? I'm not even sure what kind of signal that gives you (could correlated to a wide variety of things), but given it's 1-bit nature... ok so I'm headhunted more or less specifically a tiny bit? I can't imagine this is even worth the engineering time at Microsoft, but if it is somehow, I still don't see the big deal here. To me it just sounds like a general distrust of Microsoft compared to the Raspberry Pi foundation. I just wish it was more framed as 'I don't like Microsoft, no matter how rational or irrational this fear is.' I'd respect that far more than alluding to some potential tangible harm cross referencing that you own a Raspberry Pi with your github profile. You already declare what you own in your user agent when you use github to begin with -- why is an RPI so different and that much worse?
  - fartcannon 6y ago
    Would you object to google or facebook getting private keys installed on your computer without being asked? How about a repo just for the CCP/US Gov/Russia?
    - azinman2 6y ago
      The private keys are specifically for accessing a repo, which is also easy to disable. No, I wouldn't object if I was downloading software from them: I'd want it to be cryptographically verified. Similarly, I accept an OS with keys from Google and all kinds of people and governments in the form of SSL root certificate trust. If I was getting software from the CCP/US Gov/Russia then that would also be fine. Here I'm not, it's a repo for VSCode from Microsoft. Context matters.
      - fartcannon 6y ago
        For the rest of us, I guess the canary died.

e2le 6y ago

“Microsoft bashing.” Such a strange reason to give for locking a thread concerning these recent changes to Raspbian.

Uehreka 6y ago

The author complains that if VS Code is to be included, then at the very least it should be on a special version of RPi OS “for kids” because other people just want to run RPi’s headless. The thing is, Raspberry Pi OS already works like this: there’s a Lite (headless) version, a desktop version, and a desktop version “with recommended software”. VS Code is almost certainly only in that last one. So you can even run a “headful” RPi without it! With all that said, I’m glad they’re including VS Code in the recommended software. In the past I’ve tried compiling it from source, but given the Pi’s limited CPU muscle it takes a long time. https://www.raspberrypi.org/software/operating-systems/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/software/operating-systems/

vorpalhex 6y ago
> VS Code is almost certainly only in that last one One might think that. One would be wrong. It appears to be in the headless version and up.
ArtTimeInvestor 6y ago
I’m glad they’re including VS Code The problem is not including VS Code in their distros repo. The problem is adding a third party repo to their distro.
- FDSGSG 6y ago
  >The problem is adding a third party repo to their distro Why is that a problem? Lets not pretend that the article you linked actually provides a legitimate answer to this question.
  - forty 6y ago
    It's like if you let the key to your house to a friend you trust, then that friend let your key to someone else without asking you. It is not okay.
    - fartcannon 6y ago

nemothekid 6y ago

1. Raspbian goals seem to be for the OS is to provide an educational platform. I don’t see it as nefarious that they would include VSCode, given they install a number of other components (e.g. matlab) on the basic install. If you don’t need that, they offer the lite version. 2. If you are thinking about playing video you need Rasbian’s closed source drivers and if you are using ffmpeg, you will want their custom build that has hardware acceleration for the pi.

ArtTimeInvestor 6y ago
This is not about which software Raspbian includes in their distro. It is about that they have added a third party repo to their distro. So even people who do not use the software are affected.