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The invasion of the capital was an attempt to stop the legally mandated processes that allow the peaceful transfer of power. The attackers were intent on hangin

The invasion of the capital was an attempt to stop the legally mandated processes that allow the peaceful transfer of power. The attackers were intent on hanging on pence and others as evidenced by their chants and the equipment they brought. The rioters cannot honestly be lumped into the Democrat, blm, etc groups as different groups plainly held different objectives. I think the best explanation for the riots is simply revenge against people that sit comfortably ignoring the disaffected cries for help.

TrispusAttucks 6y ago
So then your position is: Revenge and destruction and murder are justified so long as it doesn't interfer with a political process?
- mikepurvis 6y ago
  Other than a small minority of agitators, I don't think most people went to a BLM protest with revenge, destruction, and murder on their mind. I mean, the whole point was opposing the murder of unarmed citizens by agents of the state. The slogan was "defund the police", not "hang Mike Pence." Yes, ~25 Americans were killed last year in connection to these things, but as this article shows, that may be as much about the presence of guns at these things than anything else— here's a pretty solid summary: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-kill...
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
  That's a bad faith argument if I've ever seen one. Understanding why people do things, even bad things, is crucial to easing divisiveness. I understand why people stormed the capitol. I do not condone their actions and hope they are all made examples of. Just as I understand the hundreds of years of history that is behind this summers protests. I am far more sympathetic to the tens of millions that protested against fascism and racism then I am to the actual fascists that tried to usurp democracy and install a dictator while taking scalps. When impoverished, abused, and neglected people peacefully take to streets en masse to demand change are met with brutal policing, that could be war crimes, instead of compromise and change what else do you honestly expect to happen? When millions of people can't afford to put on the table what do you expect them to do when the majority party fails to provide even a poverty level existence during a pandemic that disproportionately effects their demographic? Should they shut up and starve to death? Should they continue to take these beatings from police? Until the field is leveled don't expect this movement to die; they're fighting for their right to live.
  - cudgy 6y ago
    So, if more people protest about a long-standing issue, it has more credence than fewer people protesting in one instance about a recent issue? Is that what you are trying to say?
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
      It seems you may be asking a leading question in bad faith with the goal of trapping me in a gotcha. If that's not your goal please clarify your question.
cudgy 6y ago
Ignoring reality doesn’t make it go away. Those riots caused large areas of cities to be burned and seized, killing dozens if not hundreds of people, attacked police and local politicians, stormed into residential neighborhoods targeting specific profiles of people, harassed patrons of restaurants, beat and bludgeoned owners and patrons of stores based on racist targeting, crushed the economy of certain areas, burned and vandalized courts and police precincts, and all this over a span of months. You want to equate that with the Capitol riots which happened over a span of a few hours by a few hundred people? Seriously?
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
  If you belligerently disregard the the plight of being, poor, minority, lgbtq+, etc in America then sure these are awful behaviors. This is intellectually dishonest, and a bad faith argument straight off of fox news. These riots piss you off and terrify you because they expose the fragility of your privileged existence that is wholly reliant on the systemic imbalances the protestors have spent their lives under the boot of. Fighting for ones right to exist without being murdered by police is the argument of blm. Focus on that instead of using the actions of a few to air your racist and classist grievances. Protesting is a feature of democracy even if it offends you. Storming Congress to hang the vice president and Trump's other political enemies is an assault on democracy and a push for dictatorship. Your inability to recognize the difference is extremely concerning.

TrispusAttucks 6y ago

So then your position is: Revenge and destruction and murder are justified so long as it doesn't interfer with a political process?

mikepurvis 6y ago
Other than a small minority of agitators, I don't think most people went to a BLM protest with revenge, destruction, and murder on their mind. I mean, the whole point was opposing the murder of unarmed citizens by agents of the state. The slogan was "defund the police", not "hang Mike Pence." Yes, ~25 Americans were killed last year in connection to these things, but as this article shows, that may be as much about the presence of guns at these things than anything else— here's a pretty solid summary: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-kill...
Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
That's a bad faith argument if I've ever seen one. Understanding why people do things, even bad things, is crucial to easing divisiveness. I understand why people stormed the capitol. I do not condone their actions and hope they are all made examples of. Just as I understand the hundreds of years of history that is behind this summers protests. I am far more sympathetic to the tens of millions that protested against fascism and racism then I am to the actual fascists that tried to usurp democracy and install a dictator while taking scalps. When impoverished, abused, and neglected people peacefully take to streets en masse to demand change are met with brutal policing, that could be war crimes, instead of compromise and change what else do you honestly expect to happen? When millions of people can't afford to put on the table what do you expect them to do when the majority party fails to provide even a poverty level existence during a pandemic that disproportionately effects their demographic? Should they shut up and starve to death? Should they continue to take these beatings from police? Until the field is leveled don't expect this movement to die; they're fighting for their right to live.
- cudgy 6y ago
  So, if more people protest about a long-standing issue, it has more credence than fewer people protesting in one instance about a recent issue? Is that what you are trying to say?
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
    It seems you may be asking a leading question in bad faith with the goal of trapping me in a gotcha. If that's not your goal please clarify your question.

cudgy 6y ago

Ignoring reality doesn’t make it go away. Those riots caused large areas of cities to be burned and seized, killing dozens if not hundreds of people, attacked police and local politicians, stormed into residential neighborhoods targeting specific profiles of people, harassed patrons of restaurants, beat and bludgeoned owners and patrons of stores based on racist targeting, crushed the economy of certain areas, burned and vandalized courts and police precincts, and all this over a span of months. You want to equate that with the Capitol riots which happened over a span of a few hours by a few hundred people? Seriously?

Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
If you belligerently disregard the the plight of being, poor, minority, lgbtq+, etc in America then sure these are awful behaviors. This is intellectually dishonest, and a bad faith argument straight off of fox news. These riots piss you off and terrify you because they expose the fragility of your privileged existence that is wholly reliant on the systemic imbalances the protestors have spent their lives under the boot of. Fighting for ones right to exist without being murdered by police is the argument of blm. Focus on that instead of using the actions of a few to air your racist and classist grievances. Protesting is a feature of democracy even if it offends you. Storming Congress to hang the vice president and Trump's other political enemies is an assault on democracy and a push for dictatorship. Your inability to recognize the difference is extremely concerning.