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I'm OK with this. Private messages have shared ownership. You weren't sending them to yourself. Yes, there might be identifying information in the content of th
by Broken_Hippo 6y ago
I'm OK with this. Private messages have shared ownership. You weren't sending them to yourself. Yes, there might be identifying information in the content of the messages. Yes, in the majority of cases it wouldn't make a difference.
In some minority of cases, though, they would. Abusive ex sending you messages over discord? Yeah, those might be evidence especially when both parties are saying different things. This is the most common example I can think of, but I'm sure there are others. Heck, even if someone wanted to reminisce about days gone by... they should have the right to do so in conversations they were involved in.
- johnisgood 6y agoWell, I thought they would delete them after having requested it, but they did not. In any case, there is a feature on Discord: I can delete messages (for everyone). So as long as I can log in to Discord, I can delete messages. I doubt they actually get deleted though, probably just changes its visibility, but in any case... why would not they do that if I could do it anyway were I to be able to log in?
- anticensor 6y ago> I doubt they actually get deleted though, probably just changes its visibility They are actually deleted, unlike many other platforms. If not, the problem described here would not arise in the first place: https://blog.discord.com/how-discord-stores-billions-of-messages-7fa6ec7ee4c7 https://blog.discord.com/how-discord-stores-billions-of-mess...
- johnisgood 6y agoYeah, I am not leaning towards either way stubbornly, I am open minded about it, I just know that many places really only just changes the visibility. In any case, thank you for the link!
- stef25 6y agoGDPR rules (which may not apply to you or Discord, not sure) say a company MUST hard delete a user's data upon request. Except if company can claim to need it, like for invoicing / tax reasons. Seems reasonable.
- user3939382 6y agoSo does California state law
- pessimizer 6y agoAre messages that you sent to someone else still your data? If I sent you a letter, a court wouldn't tell you to burn it and any copies on my request.
- foepys 6y agoI'd be with you if each message was end to end encrypted and/or exclusively physically stored on the users devices. But it isn't. It's on Discord's servers.
- jaywalk 6y agoThat doesn't change the fact that they still also belong to someone else who may very well want to keep them.
- Spivak 6y agoOr another way of saying this is that the optimization of only storing one copy of each message doesn't change user-visible semantics of each user having their own copy of their messages. But I thought Discord, somewhat controversially, did actually let one person delete messages from all parties. Maybe they eventually caved because it enabled abuses/harassers to deprive their victims of evidence.
- johnisgood 6y ago
- secondcoming 6y agoI send myself messages in Slack all the time so I don't forget something.
- Broken_Hippo 6y agoThis, to me, would be the exception. I'd wager that the majority of messages aren't notes to self, though.