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> Just like "defund the police" is a stupid self-alienating stance to stake, so is expecting web ads to end. Don't go there, please. At the very least it revea

> Just like "defund the police" is a stupid self-alienating stance to stake, so is expecting web ads to end. Don't go there, please. At the very least it reveals you don't understand what "defined the police" means, and at worst you're insulting those who are living in constant fear and daily trauma. There are better analogies to use.

FeepingCreature 6y ago
"Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish The Police." --The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...
blub 6y ago
I find attempts of forbidding discussions on certain topics because they are sensitive to specific classes of people offensive and dangerous to free thought and open discourse, two of the pillars of democracy. Furthermore, I reject the claim that a significant number of people are living in constant fear and daily trauma in any western democracy. Such an extraordinary claim requires solid proof - statistical proof that people are suffering psychological and/or physical trauma. Now regarding the original claim itself, there's certainly those that take it literally: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol.... And according to Wilfred Reilly it's actually happening: "In Los Angeles, similarly, the police budget was reduced by $150,000,000 “following calls to defund the police after George Floyd’s May 25 death.” By November 12th of the past year, these cuts had already resulted in the dissolution of the department’s entire Animal Cruelty Task Force, and more notably of the Sexual Assault/Special Victims unit “that investigated disgraced film producer Harvey Weinstein." Did you really think that such a clear statement supported by politicians and mass media will not have any effects in the real world?
- tadfisher 6y ago
  > I find attempts of forbidding discussions on certain topics because they are sensitive to specific classes of people offensive and dangerous to free thought and open discourse, two of the pillars of democracy. Note that the topic of this discussion is Internet advertising. I would love to hear your opinion on how comparing the Internet advertising industry to the struggle for racial justice is promoting free thought and open discourse. Actually, I wouldn't, because any such comparison is absurd and is not initiating the conversation in good faith. > Furthermore, I reject the claim that a significant number of people are living in constant fear and daily trauma in any western democracy Note that I made no such claim. I would, however, love to hear your experience as a BIPOC in America.
mat7447 6y ago
I like defund the state.
why_Mr_Anderson 6y ago
You goddamn snowflakes have no idea what it actually means "to live in constant fear and daily trauma". But I did live in a country where secret police could make you disappear if you said the wrong things or just knew or met the wrong people. You could be sentenced to uranium mines for 10-25 years just because your parents or grandparents were considered enemies of the communist party (for crimes such as fighting Nazis on allied side,... ). Or they could 'just' prevent your children from ever attending any university, just to ,you know, give you a warning that you better behave.

FeepingCreature 6y ago

"Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish The Police." --The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...

blub 6y ago

I find attempts of forbidding discussions on certain topics because they are sensitive to specific classes of people offensive and dangerous to free thought and open discourse, two of the pillars of democracy. Furthermore, I reject the claim that a significant number of people are living in constant fear and daily trauma in any western democracy. Such an extraordinary claim requires solid proof - statistical proof that people are suffering psychological and/or physical trauma. Now regarding the original claim itself, there's certainly those that take it literally: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol.... And according to Wilfred Reilly it's actually happening: "In Los Angeles, similarly, the police budget was reduced by $150,000,000 “following calls to defund the police after George Floyd’s May 25 death.” By November 12th of the past year, these cuts had already resulted in the dissolution of the department’s entire Animal Cruelty Task Force, and more notably of the Sexual Assault/Special Victims unit “that investigated disgraced film producer Harvey Weinstein." Did you really think that such a clear statement supported by politicians and mass media will not have any effects in the real world?

tadfisher 6y ago
> I find attempts of forbidding discussions on certain topics because they are sensitive to specific classes of people offensive and dangerous to free thought and open discourse, two of the pillars of democracy. Note that the topic of this discussion is Internet advertising. I would love to hear your opinion on how comparing the Internet advertising industry to the struggle for racial justice is promoting free thought and open discourse. Actually, I wouldn't, because any such comparison is absurd and is not initiating the conversation in good faith. > Furthermore, I reject the claim that a significant number of people are living in constant fear and daily trauma in any western democracy Note that I made no such claim. I would, however, love to hear your experience as a BIPOC in America.

mat7447 6y ago

I like defund the state.

why_Mr_Anderson 6y ago

You goddamn snowflakes have no idea what it actually means "to live in constant fear and daily trauma". But I did live in a country where secret police could make you disappear if you said the wrong things or just knew or met the wrong people. You could be sentenced to uranium mines for 10-25 years just because your parents or grandparents were considered enemies of the communist party (for crimes such as fighting Nazis on allied side,... ). Or they could 'just' prevent your children from ever attending any university, just to ,you know, give you a warning that you better behave.