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Give me Parler's software and I will host it in Russia... that's where USA's free speech usually come from anyways (free as in somewhat controversial, popular a

Give me Parler's software and I will host it in Russia... that's where USA's free speech usually come from anyways (free as in somewhat controversial, popular and still allowed). I think I say a lot of somewhat controversial things, but they let it fly because I am not popular.

eganist 6y ago
> Give me Parler's software and I will host it in Russia... that's where USA's free speech usually come from anyways (free as in somewhat controversial, popular and still allowed). Doubt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny
- drivingmenuts 6y ago
  Russia only really has a problem with speech when it’s against them. People slagging the US is fine by them.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - visarga 6y ago
    Isn't it exactly the same with US? They would happily host any website critical of Russia's elite.
    - tolbish 6y ago
      It is not exactly the same. Being critical of Biden will not get you deplatformed. Supporting insurrections will. Those are not similar. Please vocalize your argument if you disagree.
      - BlackFly 6y ago
        It is exactly the same: Armed insurrections planned on Twitter/Facebook in the middle east (the Arab Spring): widely celebrated in the USA. Armed insurrections planned on Parler/Gab in the USA: better shut those down completely. The distinction between these two is precisely political, the view on the legitimacy of the conversation is premised on whether you view the government as legitimate or not.
        tolbish 6y ago
        How is the difference precisely political when all claims of a fraudulent US election were proven to be false? Facts are a matter of opinion now?
        BlackFly 6y ago
        I am not sure if you truly wish to understand the point here, but consider the protests in Hong Kong. No lies. No allegations of fraud. The people just do not want to be ruled that way. Facts just don't matter to politics and never have. I think it is a weak move on China's part to crack down like they are. I think it is a weak move to stifle speech and organization. I think some of the protesters certainly broke laws and will be held criminally liable. I continue to hope that Hong Kongers will win the ability to determine their own destiny. I think that Biden fairly won the election. I just think that it is a sad day when the USA who so used to embody the idea of "I disagree with what you say but will fight to my death for your right to say it," no longer embodies that idea. I disagree with what they were saying precisely because of the facts. It is weak politics to consider that that disagreement means deplatforming.
        5560675260 6y ago
        AFAIK all relevant court cases were dismissed and didn't go into discovery. There is an opinion that all of the cases were baseless. There is an opinion that judges saw where the wind blows and took an easy way out. Since we're not going to see any serious investigation, you can pick whichever you like.
        tolbish 6y ago
- logicchains 6y ago
  It's the 1980s, a Russian and an American are talking. The American says: "In my country, we can have freedom of speech. I can stand outside the White House and shout that the president is an idiot, and nobody can stop me". "So what," replies the Russian, "In Russia I can also shout that the president of America is an idiot and nobody will stop me".
  - Triv888 6y ago
    but what matters is free speech... if we can no longer have it hosted in the US for the Internet, it doesn't really matter where the free speech is hosted (also, maybe we can host free speech for Russia in the US?).
    - MichaelMoser123 6y ago
      > also, maybe we can host free speech for Russia in the US? that's what we got; the main platform used by Navalny for his reports is youtube. https://www.youtube.com/user/NavalnyRu https://www.youtube.com/user/NavalnyRu right now his last report on Putins palace has 108,627,830 views.
  - 8note 6y ago
    This summer would suggest that the president can bring in federal agents to stop you. Especially if he wants to give a preess conference at your church
- throw_m239339 6y ago
  Russia has no problem with political strife in USA, only with people opposed to the Russian government.
toomim 6y ago
That's what they've been working on: https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/1/19/bb-parler-moves-to-hosting-service-owned-by-russians-after-ban https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/1/19/bb-parler-moves-... https://www.wired.com/story/parler-russia-privacy/ https://www.wired.com/story/parler-russia-privacy/

eganist 6y ago

> Give me Parler's software and I will host it in Russia... that's where USA's free speech usually come from anyways (free as in somewhat controversial, popular and still allowed). Doubt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny

drivingmenuts 6y ago
Russia only really has a problem with speech when it’s against them. People slagging the US is fine by them.
- deleted 6y ago
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- visarga 6y ago
  Isn't it exactly the same with US? They would happily host any website critical of Russia's elite.
  - tolbish 6y ago
    It is not exactly the same. Being critical of Biden will not get you deplatformed. Supporting insurrections will. Those are not similar. Please vocalize your argument if you disagree.
    - BlackFly 6y ago
      It is exactly the same: Armed insurrections planned on Twitter/Facebook in the middle east (the Arab Spring): widely celebrated in the USA. Armed insurrections planned on Parler/Gab in the USA: better shut those down completely. The distinction between these two is precisely political, the view on the legitimacy of the conversation is premised on whether you view the government as legitimate or not.
      - tolbish 6y ago
        How is the difference precisely political when all claims of a fraudulent US election were proven to be false? Facts are a matter of opinion now?
        BlackFly 6y ago
        I am not sure if you truly wish to understand the point here, but consider the protests in Hong Kong. No lies. No allegations of fraud. The people just do not want to be ruled that way. Facts just don't matter to politics and never have. I think it is a weak move on China's part to crack down like they are. I think it is a weak move to stifle speech and organization. I think some of the protesters certainly broke laws and will be held criminally liable. I continue to hope that Hong Kongers will win the ability to determine their own destiny. I think that Biden fairly won the election. I just think that it is a sad day when the USA who so used to embody the idea of "I disagree with what you say but will fight to my death for your right to say it," no longer embodies that idea. I disagree with what they were saying precisely because of the facts. It is weak politics to consider that that disagreement means deplatforming.
        5560675260 6y ago
        AFAIK all relevant court cases were dismissed and didn't go into discovery. There is an opinion that all of the cases were baseless. There is an opinion that judges saw where the wind blows and took an easy way out. Since we're not going to see any serious investigation, you can pick whichever you like.
        tolbish 6y ago
logicchains 6y ago
It's the 1980s, a Russian and an American are talking. The American says: "In my country, we can have freedom of speech. I can stand outside the White House and shout that the president is an idiot, and nobody can stop me". "So what," replies the Russian, "In Russia I can also shout that the president of America is an idiot and nobody will stop me".
- Triv888 6y ago
  but what matters is free speech... if we can no longer have it hosted in the US for the Internet, it doesn't really matter where the free speech is hosted (also, maybe we can host free speech for Russia in the US?).
  - MichaelMoser123 6y ago
    > also, maybe we can host free speech for Russia in the US? that's what we got; the main platform used by Navalny for his reports is youtube. https://www.youtube.com/user/NavalnyRu https://www.youtube.com/user/NavalnyRu right now his last report on Putins palace has 108,627,830 views.
- 8note 6y ago
  This summer would suggest that the president can bring in federal agents to stop you. Especially if he wants to give a preess conference at your church
throw_m239339 6y ago
Russia has no problem with political strife in USA, only with people opposed to the Russian government.

toomim 6y ago

That's what they've been working on: https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/1/19/bb-parler-moves-to-hosting-service-owned-by-russians-after-ban https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/1/19/bb-parler-moves-... https://www.wired.com/story/parler-russia-privacy/ https://www.wired.com/story/parler-russia-privacy/