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It’s just completely ahistorical too. Democratic voters picked HRC over Bernie and then they picked Biden over Bernie 4 years later. There was no conspiracy or

It’s just completely ahistorical too. Democratic voters picked HRC over Bernie and then they picked Biden over Bernie 4 years later. There was no conspiracy or “party machinery” involved as much as that pains the Bernie wing of the party. Republican voters overwhelmingly picked Trump - and then turned out millions more in 2020 after they saw what he had done with the Oval Office. Just no remote equivocation between the two parties.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
Democratic primary voters were leaning a few points towards Bernie. Then the DNC gave Hillary - and not Bernie - the debate questions in advance. The superdelegates - delegates that didn't come from primaries - also tilted strongly for Hillary. So no, I don't think it's completely ahistorical. It's at least somewhat ahistorical to say that Democratic voters picked HRC over Bernie in 2016. The DNC picked Hillary. The voters? Bernie had the edge, at least before the tilted debate.
- mikeyouse 6y ago
  Read the actual question that they “tipped” to Hillary - it was literally about lead poisoning in water at a debate in Flint, Michigan. And read the timeline here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presid... Bernie never had an edge; he lost 4 of the first 5 contests and finished with nearly 4 million fewer votes. It’s no secret the party apparatus preferred Hillary - to their great detriment given what happened in the general - but it absolutely ahistorical to insist that Bernie was somehow cheated out of anything.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    Hmm. It appears that my memory is faulty.
    - 8note 6y ago
      It's just right wing propaganda taking its effect. You remember that the democrats stole the election from Bernie because the GOP wanted democrats to not be excited about voting for hilary, so they spread the message as much as they could
      - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        I don't think it's that simple. I think it was at least as much left-wing propaganda that "Bernie is winning!"

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

Democratic primary voters were leaning a few points towards Bernie. Then the DNC gave Hillary - and not Bernie - the debate questions in advance. The superdelegates - delegates that didn't come from primaries - also tilted strongly for Hillary. So no, I don't think it's completely ahistorical. It's at least somewhat ahistorical to say that Democratic voters picked HRC over Bernie in 2016. The DNC picked Hillary. The voters? Bernie had the edge, at least before the tilted debate.

mikeyouse 6y ago
Read the actual question that they “tipped” to Hillary - it was literally about lead poisoning in water at a debate in Flint, Michigan. And read the timeline here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presid... Bernie never had an edge; he lost 4 of the first 5 contests and finished with nearly 4 million fewer votes. It’s no secret the party apparatus preferred Hillary - to their great detriment given what happened in the general - but it absolutely ahistorical to insist that Bernie was somehow cheated out of anything.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  Hmm. It appears that my memory is faulty.
  - 8note 6y ago
    It's just right wing propaganda taking its effect. You remember that the democrats stole the election from Bernie because the GOP wanted democrats to not be excited about voting for hilary, so they spread the message as much as they could
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      I don't think it's that simple. I think it was at least as much left-wing propaganda that "Bernie is winning!"