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Huh, it's almost like no provider in America is cool with your platform being used to plan an insurrection. Or open calls for violence against and murder of ele

by pocw 6y ago

Huh, it's almost like no provider in America is cool with your platform being used to plan an insurrection. Or open calls for violence against and murder of elected officials.

dunce2021 6y ago
And yet Facebook is still standing.
calvinmorrison 6y ago
except, Twitter?
dboreham 6y ago
Suspect there are hosting providers in other countries.
mountainb 6y ago
Like Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter? Parler was a scapegoat to deflect attention from the rest of this category of software.
- seabrookmx 6y ago
  Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter all had moderation (whether its effective is another debate). It's hardly an apples-to-apples co.parison with Parler.
  - throwawaysea 6y ago
    So did Parler. And whether it was effective was another debate as you said. But upon my causal visits to Parler I did not encounter a single call for violence. It seemed like it was as exceedingly rare as anywhere else.
  - drstewart 6y ago
    >whether its effective is another debate Why?
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - bialpio 6y ago
      For one thing, they have agreements between whoever provides them service, and if they have not been taken down, it means their business partners feel that they uphold their end of the bargain. Or they run their own infra so they only answer to themselves.
  - toomim 6y ago
    Parler had moderation too. The difference is that Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter's moderation lean left, and Parler's leaned right.
    - DoctorOW 6y ago
      I feel like you may have a right-skewed view of this issue. If you look at it globally it may be different, and I don't know where you're from. Here in the United States (where all four sites are headquartered) sites like Facebook/Twitter are moderated somewhat right leaning for their role in aiding right-leaning former president Donald Trump in 2016. He lost their support later due to his abuse of power but that's a bit out of scope of a HN comment.
- Hnrobert42 6y ago
  Parler was well outside the norm and was given amole opportunity to change. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/filing-amazon-warned-parler-for-months-about-more-than-100-violent-threats/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/filing-amazon-wa...
tellmelies 6y ago
Hard to see why it matters if they are elected officials.
- bilbo0s 6y ago
  Same reason it matters if they're cops. Search for you will be more aggressive. Your prosecution will be more aggressive. Your punishment will be more harsh.
- Hnrobert42 6y ago
  Because it was an attack against democracy itself. They weren’t attacking individuals, but the role those individuals hold.
lettergram 6y ago
Parler didn’t even have an events section, it was also fairly difficult to discover content and from what I saw very corporate-like (ie moderated well, mundane posts, etc). Twitter or Facebook on the other hand, ive seen people call out to riot and burn down cities. Literally, there was a Facebook event to riot in my town (person who planned it was arrested). It led to millions in damages, and I feared for my life. I was surprised parler got de-platforms because it was the most mundane option TBH.
- manquer 6y ago
  Apart from the lobbying power of Facebook Twitter size company, it is pretty hard to deplatform them. On a purely technical level Facebook runs their own infra. They would be hard to deplatform. The only people who are probably capable of doing that is the l3 type service providers. Even there Facebook , google own investments in undersea cables. Also the size of their deal value to the vendor makes a huge difference. Amazon's revenue impact from parler would not even be a rounding number in their annual report. The impact of loosing fb for many vendors could kill them .
  - skynet-9000 6y ago
    This is true. Apple can't get rid of Facebook or Google Maps, no matter how much they hate them, but they can easily get rid of pesky startups while claiming to be standing on principles. Not much of a moral victory there, though! (even if you believe they were right to do so, which I do not.)
    - robin_reala 6y ago
      Pre-Fortnite-sage I wouldn’t have been so sure, but they had 116m users at that point and were still banned. Obviously that’s still an order of magnitude smaller, but…
      - manquer 6y ago
        Also Fortnite is not utility application it lot easier to ban a game. It is much harder for say Google Maps, while we can discuss the "utility" of the Facebook app, even with facebook main, plenty of people use it as critical communication tool.
throwawaysea 6y ago
No, more like most big tech platforms are run by (or willing to cave to) far left progressives who like to censor/deplatform/suppress views that don’t align with their own. Also stop calling it an insurrection. That is incorrect and this looked nothing like an actual coup (https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/why-this-wasnt-a-coup-capitol-2020-election-trump/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/why-this-wasnt-a-coup-c...). And making it seem like Parler was full of open calls for violence is just hyperbolic. Parler had 15 million users. In the hour following Trump’s speech the phrase civil war was mentioned a whopping 156 times, an increase of 0.117% (https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2021/02/01/civil-war-during-trumps-pre-riot-speech-parler-talk-grew-darker/4297165001/ https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2021/02/01/civil-war-...). Lastly - where were you throughout 2020? Why haven’t you and those aligned to your views spoken up against BLM and Antifa rioters engaging in terrorism (crimes in pursuit of political goals)? Why didn’t you speak up when people casually talk about killing cops? Or when they fan the flames of rioting by claiming that police are discriminating against blacks without good evidence?
- skinnymuch 6y ago
  You make such great points! How can any be argued? Also. Insurrection and coup are not the same thing. It was an insurrection. Yea those big tech doing such far left progressive ideals like paying no taxes, dodging all sorts of moral issues, working with another to not poach and lower income. I can’t tell if AOC and Bernie dont run big tech.
  - wombatpm 6y ago
    It’s only a coup if comes from the coup d'état region of France
  - throwawaysea 6y ago
    How was “it” an insurrection? What is even “it”? Are you talking about the entire group that heard Trump’s speech and marched to the Capitol? Because if so then the vast majority protested peacefully outside the barriers and broke no laws. Are you talking about the ones that trespassed onto the Capitol, because the vast majority broke no laws that leftist groups haven’t in recent years in their own illegal invasions of the Capitol*. Are you talking about those that stole things or vandalized things? Because BLM rioters did that all 2020 and I didn’t hear their acts termed as insurrections. And if not them, who or what exactly are you talking about and how did you prove their intent? Maybe you should consider that a few people acting in such a manner is not evidence that either Parler or Trump are responsible for those individuals’ actions. * Hell, AOC herself participated in one such illegal riot at the Capitol (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-nancy-pelosi-climate-change-congress-democrats-protest-a8632361.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...). And since it was in the pursuit of a political goal (the Green New Deal) that makes her political criminality an act of terrorism, by definition.
notdonspaulding 6y ago
On the one hand, Google deplatformed Parler by blocking their app from the Play Store, and on the other hand it continues to be "cool with" 3rd-party content on Youtube which is "openly calling for violence against and murder of elected officials". https://youtu.be/jRLH8E_CpP0?t=205 https://youtu.be/jRLH8E_CpP0?t=205 For the record, I'm absolutely fine with Google deciding what content stays and what content goes when it comes to their hosting infrastructure. But in so doing, they need to retain legal culpability for the content that remains.
- tolbish 6y ago
  That is not what "openly calling" means.
  - notdonspaulding 6y ago
    Fair enough. But can we at least agree that the line between the 2 examples is so fine that the monologue comedian on a satirical TV program had to run his joke by his lawyer's lawyer in order to make sure he was standing on the right side of it?

by pocw 6y ago

Huh, it's almost like no provider in America is cool with your platform being used to plan an insurrection. Or open calls for violence against and murder of elected officials.

dunce2021 6y ago

And yet Facebook is still standing.

calvinmorrison 6y ago

except, Twitter?

dboreham 6y ago

Suspect there are hosting providers in other countries.

mountainb 6y ago

Like Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter? Parler was a scapegoat to deflect attention from the rest of this category of software.

seabrookmx 6y ago
Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter all had moderation (whether its effective is another debate). It's hardly an apples-to-apples co.parison with Parler.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  So did Parler. And whether it was effective was another debate as you said. But upon my causal visits to Parler I did not encounter a single call for violence. It seemed like it was as exceedingly rare as anywhere else.
- drstewart 6y ago
  >whether its effective is another debate Why?
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - bialpio 6y ago
    For one thing, they have agreements between whoever provides them service, and if they have not been taken down, it means their business partners feel that they uphold their end of the bargain. Or they run their own infra so they only answer to themselves.
- toomim 6y ago
  Parler had moderation too. The difference is that Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter's moderation lean left, and Parler's leaned right.
  - DoctorOW 6y ago
    I feel like you may have a right-skewed view of this issue. If you look at it globally it may be different, and I don't know where you're from. Here in the United States (where all four sites are headquartered) sites like Facebook/Twitter are moderated somewhat right leaning for their role in aiding right-leaning former president Donald Trump in 2016. He lost their support later due to his abuse of power but that's a bit out of scope of a HN comment.
Hnrobert42 6y ago
Parler was well outside the norm and was given amole opportunity to change. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/filing-amazon-warned-parler-for-months-about-more-than-100-violent-threats/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/filing-amazon-wa...

tellmelies 6y ago

Hard to see why it matters if they are elected officials.

bilbo0s 6y ago
Same reason it matters if they're cops. Search for you will be more aggressive. Your prosecution will be more aggressive. Your punishment will be more harsh.
Hnrobert42 6y ago
Because it was an attack against democracy itself. They weren’t attacking individuals, but the role those individuals hold.

lettergram 6y ago

Parler didn’t even have an events section, it was also fairly difficult to discover content and from what I saw very corporate-like (ie moderated well, mundane posts, etc). Twitter or Facebook on the other hand, ive seen people call out to riot and burn down cities. Literally, there was a Facebook event to riot in my town (person who planned it was arrested). It led to millions in damages, and I feared for my life. I was surprised parler got de-platforms because it was the most mundane option TBH.

manquer 6y ago
Apart from the lobbying power of Facebook Twitter size company, it is pretty hard to deplatform them. On a purely technical level Facebook runs their own infra. They would be hard to deplatform. The only people who are probably capable of doing that is the l3 type service providers. Even there Facebook , google own investments in undersea cables. Also the size of their deal value to the vendor makes a huge difference. Amazon's revenue impact from parler would not even be a rounding number in their annual report. The impact of loosing fb for many vendors could kill them .
- skynet-9000 6y ago
  This is true. Apple can't get rid of Facebook or Google Maps, no matter how much they hate them, but they can easily get rid of pesky startups while claiming to be standing on principles. Not much of a moral victory there, though! (even if you believe they were right to do so, which I do not.)
  - robin_reala 6y ago
    Pre-Fortnite-sage I wouldn’t have been so sure, but they had 116m users at that point and were still banned. Obviously that’s still an order of magnitude smaller, but…
    - manquer 6y ago
      Also Fortnite is not utility application it lot easier to ban a game. It is much harder for say Google Maps, while we can discuss the "utility" of the Facebook app, even with facebook main, plenty of people use it as critical communication tool.

throwawaysea 6y ago

No, more like most big tech platforms are run by (or willing to cave to) far left progressives who like to censor/deplatform/suppress views that don’t align with their own. Also stop calling it an insurrection. That is incorrect and this looked nothing like an actual coup (https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/why-this-wasnt-a-coup-capitol-2020-election-trump/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/why-this-wasnt-a-coup-c...). And making it seem like Parler was full of open calls for violence is just hyperbolic. Parler had 15 million users. In the hour following Trump’s speech the phrase civil war was mentioned a whopping 156 times, an increase of 0.117% (https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2021/02/01/civil-war-during-trumps-pre-riot-speech-parler-talk-grew-darker/4297165001/ https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2021/02/01/civil-war-...). Lastly - where were you throughout 2020? Why haven’t you and those aligned to your views spoken up against BLM and Antifa rioters engaging in terrorism (crimes in pursuit of political goals)? Why didn’t you speak up when people casually talk about killing cops? Or when they fan the flames of rioting by claiming that police are discriminating against blacks without good evidence?

skinnymuch 6y ago
You make such great points! How can any be argued? Also. Insurrection and coup are not the same thing. It was an insurrection. Yea those big tech doing such far left progressive ideals like paying no taxes, dodging all sorts of moral issues, working with another to not poach and lower income. I can’t tell if AOC and Bernie dont run big tech.
- wombatpm 6y ago
  It’s only a coup if comes from the coup d'état region of France
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  How was “it” an insurrection? What is even “it”? Are you talking about the entire group that heard Trump’s speech and marched to the Capitol? Because if so then the vast majority protested peacefully outside the barriers and broke no laws. Are you talking about the ones that trespassed onto the Capitol, because the vast majority broke no laws that leftist groups haven’t in recent years in their own illegal invasions of the Capitol*. Are you talking about those that stole things or vandalized things? Because BLM rioters did that all 2020 and I didn’t hear their acts termed as insurrections. And if not them, who or what exactly are you talking about and how did you prove their intent? Maybe you should consider that a few people acting in such a manner is not evidence that either Parler or Trump are responsible for those individuals’ actions. * Hell, AOC herself participated in one such illegal riot at the Capitol (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-nancy-pelosi-climate-change-congress-democrats-protest-a8632361.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...). And since it was in the pursuit of a political goal (the Green New Deal) that makes her political criminality an act of terrorism, by definition.

notdonspaulding 6y ago

On the one hand, Google deplatformed Parler by blocking their app from the Play Store, and on the other hand it continues to be "cool with" 3rd-party content on Youtube which is "openly calling for violence against and murder of elected officials". https://youtu.be/jRLH8E_CpP0?t=205 https://youtu.be/jRLH8E_CpP0?t=205 For the record, I'm absolutely fine with Google deciding what content stays and what content goes when it comes to their hosting infrastructure. But in so doing, they need to retain legal culpability for the content that remains.

tolbish 6y ago
That is not what "openly calling" means.
- notdonspaulding 6y ago
  Fair enough. But can we at least agree that the line between the 2 examples is so fine that the monologue comedian on a satirical TV program had to run his joke by his lawyer's lawyer in order to make sure he was standing on the right side of it?