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> But where is the left's QAnon? Twitter How much time was devoted to Trump and his "two scoops of ice cream", "dumping seed in the koi fish pond" or any of th

> But where is the left's QAnon? Twitter How much time was devoted to Trump and his "two scoops of ice cream", "dumping seed in the koi fish pond" or any of the hundreds of miniscule things he did - most of which were just mandanities, framed into a false lens and then magnified. I'm not saying that Trump was good, just that there was so much noise from social media about how absolutely everything he did was not just "bad", but the "worst ever". A lot of left-leaning source went into an absolute frenzy about anything and everything he did to try and spin it as the worst.

mikepurvis 6y ago
Okay but "noise from social media" is very different from leading politicians and entire news organizations playing along with dangerous stuff like Trump's COVID denialism for months on end. Trump is almost certainly among the bottom 3-4 worst US presidents in history [1]. Was each individual action the "worst ever"? No, of course not. But the sum of the pieces was indeed ghastly, and it's ridiculous to claim that these are just gaffs like any public figure has, and once everyone calms down and stops blowing things out of proportion he will be regarded as just another normal, middle-of-the-road president. [1]: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/trump-best-worst-presidents-ranked/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/trump-best-worst-pre...
- cudgy 6y ago
  So, do you rate GW Bush better or worse than Trump? Why wasn’t the left all in a lather about killing 100s of thousands of innocent Iraquis based on false evidence of Chemical weapons stockpiles? Why not impeach Bush then? Why not now?
  - mikepurvis 6y ago
    If nothing else, Bush already served two terms.
    - cudgy 6y ago
      That makes it even more exasperating. He was elected into office twice and caused immensely more damage.
      - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
        About 20k service members and ngo staff died in service under Bush.[] How many are dead due to Trump's refusal to address covid19? Hundreds of thousands of civilians. [] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/24/george-w-bushs-presidency-in-24-charts/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/24/georg...
        jimmygrapes 6y ago
        I hate to comment but I am quite sick of seeing this "refusal to deal with covid" type rhetoric. On what are you basing that accusation, because actual reality doesn't bear it out.
        mikepurvis 6y ago
        Refused for months to endorse basic measures like mask wearing, undermined his own doctors, gave political cover to people protesting lockdowns (the "LIBERATE" tweets, among many others), repeatedly pretended that it was just a flu and would go away on its own, repeatedly and unnecessarily politicized the whole thing by using racially charged language ("kung flu", "China flu", etc), gave guidance and timelines that were based on his own hopes and political ambitions rather than the advice of experts, treated press briefings like a reality show, using them to speculate about miracle cures rather than platforming people who knew what they were talking about. Never mind the absolute fiasco around supply stockpiles and the management of testing, most of which ended up dumped onto governors even after splashy announcements gave the impression that a national strategy was coming. So yeah, reality absolutely bears out that the Trump administration's handling of covid was a complete fiasco, and that many, many fewer people could have died if it were done better. But somehow this is all no big deal to the political movement that once lost its mind over Obama's so-called "death panels."
  - KozmoNau7 6y ago
    The left was up in arms and protesting the invasion and war, it was the DNC that refused to act, choosing instead to sit on their hands. The democratic party is still in the pocket of big business. Don't confuse them with actual leftists.

mikepurvis 6y ago

Okay but "noise from social media" is very different from leading politicians and entire news organizations playing along with dangerous stuff like Trump's COVID denialism for months on end. Trump is almost certainly among the bottom 3-4 worst US presidents in history [1]. Was each individual action the "worst ever"? No, of course not. But the sum of the pieces was indeed ghastly, and it's ridiculous to claim that these are just gaffs like any public figure has, and once everyone calms down and stops blowing things out of proportion he will be regarded as just another normal, middle-of-the-road president. [1]: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/trump-best-worst-presidents-ranked/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/trump-best-worst-pre...

cudgy 6y ago
So, do you rate GW Bush better or worse than Trump? Why wasn’t the left all in a lather about killing 100s of thousands of innocent Iraquis based on false evidence of Chemical weapons stockpiles? Why not impeach Bush then? Why not now?
- mikepurvis 6y ago
  If nothing else, Bush already served two terms.
  - cudgy 6y ago
    That makes it even more exasperating. He was elected into office twice and caused immensely more damage.
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
      About 20k service members and ngo staff died in service under Bush.[] How many are dead due to Trump's refusal to address covid19? Hundreds of thousands of civilians. [] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/24/george-w-bushs-presidency-in-24-charts/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/04/24/georg...
      - jimmygrapes 6y ago
        I hate to comment but I am quite sick of seeing this "refusal to deal with covid" type rhetoric. On what are you basing that accusation, because actual reality doesn't bear it out.
        mikepurvis 6y ago
        Refused for months to endorse basic measures like mask wearing, undermined his own doctors, gave political cover to people protesting lockdowns (the "LIBERATE" tweets, among many others), repeatedly pretended that it was just a flu and would go away on its own, repeatedly and unnecessarily politicized the whole thing by using racially charged language ("kung flu", "China flu", etc), gave guidance and timelines that were based on his own hopes and political ambitions rather than the advice of experts, treated press briefings like a reality show, using them to speculate about miracle cures rather than platforming people who knew what they were talking about. Never mind the absolute fiasco around supply stockpiles and the management of testing, most of which ended up dumped onto governors even after splashy announcements gave the impression that a national strategy was coming. So yeah, reality absolutely bears out that the Trump administration's handling of covid was a complete fiasco, and that many, many fewer people could have died if it were done better. But somehow this is all no big deal to the political movement that once lost its mind over Obama's so-called "death panels."
- KozmoNau7 6y ago
  The left was up in arms and protesting the invasion and war, it was the DNC that refused to act, choosing instead to sit on their hands. The democratic party is still in the pocket of big business. Don't confuse them with actual leftists.