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>That's almost exactly symmetric to the Republican situation Is it? Do you really think that if Bernie won in 2016 and then lost in 2020 he would call upon his
by minikites 6y ago
>That's almost exactly symmetric to the Republican situation
Is it? Do you really think that if Bernie won in 2016 and then lost in 2020 he would call upon his supporters to storm the Capitol?
- mikeyouse 6y agoIt’s just completely ahistorical too. Democratic voters picked HRC over Bernie and then they picked Biden over Bernie 4 years later. There was no conspiracy or “party machinery” involved as much as that pains the Bernie wing of the party. Republican voters overwhelmingly picked Trump - and then turned out millions more in 2020 after they saw what he had done with the Oval Office. Just no remote equivocation between the two parties.
- AnimalMuppet 6y agoDemocratic primary voters were leaning a few points towards Bernie. Then the DNC gave Hillary - and not Bernie - the debate questions in advance. The superdelegates - delegates that didn't come from primaries - also tilted strongly for Hillary. So no, I don't think it's completely ahistorical. It's at least somewhat ahistorical to say that Democratic voters picked HRC over Bernie in 2016. The DNC picked Hillary. The voters? Bernie had the edge, at least before the tilted debate.
- mikeyouse 6y agoRead the actual question that they “tipped” to Hillary - it was literally about lead poisoning in water at a debate in Flint, Michigan. And read the timeline here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presid... Bernie never had an edge; he lost 4 of the first 5 contests and finished with nearly 4 million fewer votes. It’s no secret the party apparatus preferred Hillary - to their great detriment given what happened in the general - but it absolutely ahistorical to insist that Bernie was somehow cheated out of anything.
- AnimalMuppet 6y agoHmm. It appears that my memory is faulty.
- 8note 6y agoIt's just right wing propaganda taking its effect. You remember that the democrats stole the election from Bernie because the GOP wanted democrats to not be excited about voting for hilary, so they spread the message as much as they could
- AnimalMuppet 6y agoI don't think it's that simple. I think it was at least as much left-wing propaganda that "Bernie is winning!"
- mythrwy 6y agoOf course Bernie wouldn't call on his supporters to storm the capital. But then again neither did Trump. That didn't stop some of them from doing it however.
- jjeaff 6y agoTrump had years of fomenting and approving of violence. Offering to pay legal fees for anyone who attacked his detractors. "Stand back and stand by", etc. He might as well said "it sure would be a shame if someone was to storm that nice capitol building there"
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y agoHe told them march to the capitol to make their voices heard, while Rudy demanded trial by combat and other speakers whipped the crowd up into a rabid rage.
- mythrwy 6y agoBut... contrary to what OP states, Trump didn't say that. "He might as well have" is not accurate either.