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I agree but I'd go even further and say that even something like marriage is quite easily reversible. It depends on your risk tolerance of course.

nibsfive 6y ago
Kids are irreversible, marriage is highly reversible.
- eloff 6y ago
  Kids, yeah, definitely irreversible. Marriage - I don't think it's highly reversible, see my sibling comment.
klyrs 6y ago
In some ways, it is. For somebody who changed their name, it's tons of paperwork, at least, to undo that. If they've published papers in the meantime, that name change likely cannot be fully undone. Depending on finances, there may be years of alimony involved. As others note, if children resulted from the marriage, there's no undo. People save money on auto insurance while married, and often, "divorced" is more expensive than "single". If the divorce is amicable, it may be easy to execute -- if not, thousands of dollars and perhaps years of legal battles will be involved. Depends what you call "easy", I guess
eloff 6y ago
Marriage is not that easily reversible. You lose 50% of your assets in the process (+legal fees, alimony, and maybe child support - can be more like 70% with ongoing costs), have to deal with all of the fallout and stigma in your family and social circles. That's not saying you can't course correct - but the cost is very high compared to most things.
- satyrnein 6y ago
  You don't "lose 50% of your assets", you receive your 50% share of the marital assets. It's like if two cofounders with equal shares sell their company, they split the money. You wouldn't say one cofounder lost 50% of their assets.
  - eloff 6y ago
    In a world where the man joins the union with the majority of the assets, you lose them. Divorce very strongly favors the female in many ways.
    - satyrnein 6y ago
      High earning women face the same "problem". The fact that men are more likely to be high earners then women are is a whole separate issue. Divorce law is supposed to be gender neutral, per the Supreme Court ruling (though it might be imperfectly enforced).
      - eloff 6y ago
        Except high earning women are still women and tend to marry even more successful men. Divorce law is not gender neutral. Custody of kids favors the mother, does it not? A 50/50 asset split disadvantages men on average because they typically bring more than 50/50 into the marriage.
        satyrnein 6y ago
        Since men make more than women generally, if the nth percentile earning woman marries the nth percentile earning man, then the man will make more money, yes. That also means that if they divorce, the woman may take out more dollars than she put in. In the less common scenario where then woman makes more, though, she will take out fewer dollars and may have to pay spousal support going forward. Meanwhile, custody of children in most jurisdictions is in fact gender neutral, and based on the best interests of the child. However, since more often the mother is the primary caregiver (whether stay-at-home or working full time), courts more often grant custody to the mother. The first problem would be solved by eliminating gender wage disparities. The second problem would be solved by men providing more of the childcare during the marriage.
        eloff 6y ago
        Ironically both problems have the same cause. Women do more of the child rearing and household chores. The wage gap is actually mostly a motherhood gap, if you look at the statistics. I think you'd be hard pressed to find 1 in 10 divorces that "benefit" the man more than the woman. Just my intuition, I don't have any statistics on that. I have a really hard time calling that gender neutral.

nibsfive 6y ago

Kids are irreversible, marriage is highly reversible.

eloff 6y ago
Kids, yeah, definitely irreversible. Marriage - I don't think it's highly reversible, see my sibling comment.

klyrs 6y ago

In some ways, it is. For somebody who changed their name, it's tons of paperwork, at least, to undo that. If they've published papers in the meantime, that name change likely cannot be fully undone. Depending on finances, there may be years of alimony involved. As others note, if children resulted from the marriage, there's no undo. People save money on auto insurance while married, and often, "divorced" is more expensive than "single". If the divorce is amicable, it may be easy to execute -- if not, thousands of dollars and perhaps years of legal battles will be involved. Depends what you call "easy", I guess

eloff 6y ago

Marriage is not that easily reversible. You lose 50% of your assets in the process (+legal fees, alimony, and maybe child support - can be more like 70% with ongoing costs), have to deal with all of the fallout and stigma in your family and social circles. That's not saying you can't course correct - but the cost is very high compared to most things.

satyrnein 6y ago
You don't "lose 50% of your assets", you receive your 50% share of the marital assets. It's like if two cofounders with equal shares sell their company, they split the money. You wouldn't say one cofounder lost 50% of their assets.
- eloff 6y ago
  In a world where the man joins the union with the majority of the assets, you lose them. Divorce very strongly favors the female in many ways.
  - satyrnein 6y ago
    High earning women face the same "problem". The fact that men are more likely to be high earners then women are is a whole separate issue. Divorce law is supposed to be gender neutral, per the Supreme Court ruling (though it might be imperfectly enforced).
    - eloff 6y ago
      Except high earning women are still women and tend to marry even more successful men. Divorce law is not gender neutral. Custody of kids favors the mother, does it not? A 50/50 asset split disadvantages men on average because they typically bring more than 50/50 into the marriage.
      - satyrnein 6y ago
        Since men make more than women generally, if the nth percentile earning woman marries the nth percentile earning man, then the man will make more money, yes. That also means that if they divorce, the woman may take out more dollars than she put in. In the less common scenario where then woman makes more, though, she will take out fewer dollars and may have to pay spousal support going forward. Meanwhile, custody of children in most jurisdictions is in fact gender neutral, and based on the best interests of the child. However, since more often the mother is the primary caregiver (whether stay-at-home or working full time), courts more often grant custody to the mother. The first problem would be solved by eliminating gender wage disparities. The second problem would be solved by men providing more of the childcare during the marriage.
        eloff 6y ago
        Ironically both problems have the same cause. Women do more of the child rearing and household chores. The wage gap is actually mostly a motherhood gap, if you look at the statistics. I think you'd be hard pressed to find 1 in 10 divorces that "benefit" the man more than the woman. Just my intuition, I don't have any statistics on that. I have a really hard time calling that gender neutral.