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> "while for the most part the other side just rolls its eyes and cracks jokes to 'own the libs.'" They literally stormed the capitol, dude. Here's the bottom

> "while for the most part the other side just rolls its eyes and cracks jokes to 'own the libs.'" They literally stormed the capitol, dude. Here's the bottom line: there is not an equivalent of qanon or MTG on the left. You can exaggerate any number of things you don't like about liberals to ridiculous proportions, but this fact will still be true. Honest discussions require looking at the world bluntly and clearly. If you want to list various social trends you don't like, start a thread for that. We're trying to discuss whether the parties are fundamentally different, or not.

vimy 6y ago
>Here's the bottom line: there is not an equivalent of qanon or MTG on the left. The left is currently re-enacting the Chinese cultural revolution and most people won't realize it until it's too late. Learn about critical race theory: https://newdiscourses.com/2021/01/what-is-critical-race-theory/ https://newdiscourses.com/2021/01/what-is-critical-race-theo...
- 8note 6y ago
  You should go actually learn about critical race theory, from critical race theorists, rather than from someone's opinion of a straw man
  - vimy 6y ago
    It’s racist. It's literally based on Marxism. There are so many examples where it leads to racism once you apply it in practice: https://www.city-journal.org/racial-equity-programs-seattle-schools https://www.city-journal.org/racial-equity-programs-seattle-... Where are the examples of it improving the world? There are none. It’s an evil ideology.
Tycho 6y ago
Assembling a mob is almost always a bad idea as it tends to get out of control. What’s notable about the Capitol riot is that it was a rare instance of Republicans doing this. The only other instance that springs to mind is “Charlottesville”, which of course the media talked about for years afterwards. Meanwhile, “the left” formed mobs all summer - in city centres, outside police precincts, outside the White House, etc. When “the left” does QAnon it’s called the Mueller Investigation and the Rachel Maddow Show and it’s broadly embraced rather than limited to a bunch of cooks on social media.
- hooande 6y ago
  So one side believes that rich people secretly get together to eat babies, and the other side has a news opinion show? Yup, same thing.
  - Tycho 6y ago
    I think probably <0.1% of R voters think rich people secretly eat babies, and it was certainly never an idea entertained on cable news. Whereas there was practically non-stop media focus on the Russian collusion conspiracy theory and I think probably half of Democrats thought it was actually true.
    - cozuya 6y ago
      30% of Republicans have a favorable opinion of QANON, which explicitly says high ranking Democratic Party leaders drink the blood of babies/are pedos/etc. https://www.businessinsider.com/30-of-republicans-have-favorable-view-of-qanon-conspiracy-theory-poll-2021-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/30-of-republicans-have-favor... What is your non whataboutism response to that?
      - subjectsigma 6y ago
        I think that poll is likely bullshit. Only 1500 people participated which is basically nothing. How can that possibly be representative of a country of ~300mil? The questions say "Have you heard of Qanon?" and "Do you like Qanon?", but doesn't clarify what Qanon is... For all we know those 30% of people polled heard "Qanon is a movement against the Democrats" and thought, "Oh, I like that." They did not sign up for 'satan worshipping pedos'. Without seeing their methodology, there's no reason to believe the information is accurate. How did they confirm people submitting answers were really who they say they are? And YouGov is a British company which I've never heard of, not a criticism but it does make me suspicious. There's so many problems with surveys like this, but instead you jumped immediately from "Business Insider said this" -> "30% of Republicans are conspiracy theorists."

vimy 6y ago

>Here's the bottom line: there is not an equivalent of qanon or MTG on the left. The left is currently re-enacting the Chinese cultural revolution and most people won't realize it until it's too late. Learn about critical race theory: https://newdiscourses.com/2021/01/what-is-critical-race-theory/ https://newdiscourses.com/2021/01/what-is-critical-race-theo...

8note 6y ago
You should go actually learn about critical race theory, from critical race theorists, rather than from someone's opinion of a straw man
- vimy 6y ago
  It’s racist. It's literally based on Marxism. There are so many examples where it leads to racism once you apply it in practice: https://www.city-journal.org/racial-equity-programs-seattle-schools https://www.city-journal.org/racial-equity-programs-seattle-... Where are the examples of it improving the world? There are none. It’s an evil ideology.

Tycho 6y ago

Assembling a mob is almost always a bad idea as it tends to get out of control. What’s notable about the Capitol riot is that it was a rare instance of Republicans doing this. The only other instance that springs to mind is “Charlottesville”, which of course the media talked about for years afterwards. Meanwhile, “the left” formed mobs all summer - in city centres, outside police precincts, outside the White House, etc. When “the left” does QAnon it’s called the Mueller Investigation and the Rachel Maddow Show and it’s broadly embraced rather than limited to a bunch of cooks on social media.

hooande 6y ago
So one side believes that rich people secretly get together to eat babies, and the other side has a news opinion show? Yup, same thing.
- Tycho 6y ago
  I think probably <0.1% of R voters think rich people secretly eat babies, and it was certainly never an idea entertained on cable news. Whereas there was practically non-stop media focus on the Russian collusion conspiracy theory and I think probably half of Democrats thought it was actually true.
  - cozuya 6y ago
    30% of Republicans have a favorable opinion of QANON, which explicitly says high ranking Democratic Party leaders drink the blood of babies/are pedos/etc. https://www.businessinsider.com/30-of-republicans-have-favorable-view-of-qanon-conspiracy-theory-poll-2021-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/30-of-republicans-have-favor... What is your non whataboutism response to that?
    - subjectsigma 6y ago
      I think that poll is likely bullshit. Only 1500 people participated which is basically nothing. How can that possibly be representative of a country of ~300mil? The questions say "Have you heard of Qanon?" and "Do you like Qanon?", but doesn't clarify what Qanon is... For all we know those 30% of people polled heard "Qanon is a movement against the Democrats" and thought, "Oh, I like that." They did not sign up for 'satan worshipping pedos'. Without seeing their methodology, there's no reason to believe the information is accurate. How did they confirm people submitting answers were really who they say they are? And YouGov is a British company which I've never heard of, not a criticism but it does make me suspicious. There's so many problems with surveys like this, but instead you jumped immediately from "Business Insider said this" -> "30% of Republicans are conspiracy theorists."