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It doesn't go both ways, and that's precisely the point the original poster was trying to make. US parties do not behave the same way. One has been festering ex

by jdub 6y ago

It doesn't go both ways, and that's precisely the point the original poster was trying to make. US parties do not behave the same way. One has been festering extremism for 60 years.

munk-a 6y ago
The issue is that if you ask different people in the country which party that "one" is - you'll get a fifty-fifty split.
- jdub 6y ago
  It's more like a persistent 60/40 (or optimistically 70/30) split, but it's understandable that some people are simply wrong.
- leesalminen 6y ago
  Exactly this.
  - DubiousPusher 6y ago
    That doesn't make them correct. Constantly averaging your position is a good way to get dragged in the direction of the outlier.
    - munk-a 6y ago
      It doesn't make them correct but it means that we've got a pretty gigantic societal issue to deal with.
rayiner 6y ago
The Democratic Party has been taking many extreme positions over the past 60 years. Name a single developed country pushing towards legalizing abortion right up to birth?
- jdub 6y ago
  And the rest of the developed world applauds their attempts to catch up.
- DubiousPusher 6y ago
  Is there a Democratic Party controlled state that allows this?
  - rayiner 6y ago
    New York and Massachusetts are getting close: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/abortion-extremism-in-new-york-and-virginia-paved-the-way-for-alabama-and-georgias-laws/2019/05/17/ffad643a-78f0-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/abortion-extremism-i.... Plenty of Democrats believe it should be entirely a medical decision. (You can find a doctor willing to do anything, of course, the 20th century had taught us.) The current status quo of elective abortions to 24 weeks is already extreme. Few countries have generally legalized abortion past the first trimester (absent health, etc.), and less than 30% of Americans support it. (Why the developed world tends to draw the line there is obvious to anyone whose been to an 18 week ultrasound.)
    - verall 6y ago
      According to your profile you are an attorney and so I feel you already fully understand this, but red state abortion laws do not make exceptions for the mother's health. They state clearly that after a point in time, the life of the unborn child is to be considered equally valid as the life of the mother. The health of the mother is not considered the first priority. Abortion should be a medical decision. If a doctor is lying about the medical necessity of an abortion, that is illegal and they should lose their medical license and potentially get prison time. Same if they are giving out pills without necessity. Same if an attorney is caught illegally concealing evidence. I don't understand how it is relevant that you can find dirty doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc. Or how the 1900s are related.
      - 6y ago

by jdub 6y ago

It doesn't go both ways, and that's precisely the point the original poster was trying to make. US parties do not behave the same way. One has been festering extremism for 60 years.

munk-a 6y ago

The issue is that if you ask different people in the country which party that "one" is - you'll get a fifty-fifty split.

jdub 6y ago
It's more like a persistent 60/40 (or optimistically 70/30) split, but it's understandable that some people are simply wrong.
leesalminen 6y ago
Exactly this.
- DubiousPusher 6y ago
  That doesn't make them correct. Constantly averaging your position is a good way to get dragged in the direction of the outlier.
  - munk-a 6y ago
    It doesn't make them correct but it means that we've got a pretty gigantic societal issue to deal with.

rayiner 6y ago

The Democratic Party has been taking many extreme positions over the past 60 years. Name a single developed country pushing towards legalizing abortion right up to birth?

jdub 6y ago
And the rest of the developed world applauds their attempts to catch up.
DubiousPusher 6y ago
Is there a Democratic Party controlled state that allows this?
- rayiner 6y ago
  New York and Massachusetts are getting close: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/abortion-extremism-in-new-york-and-virginia-paved-the-way-for-alabama-and-georgias-laws/2019/05/17/ffad643a-78f0-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/abortion-extremism-i.... Plenty of Democrats believe it should be entirely a medical decision. (You can find a doctor willing to do anything, of course, the 20th century had taught us.) The current status quo of elective abortions to 24 weeks is already extreme. Few countries have generally legalized abortion past the first trimester (absent health, etc.), and less than 30% of Americans support it. (Why the developed world tends to draw the line there is obvious to anyone whose been to an 18 week ultrasound.)
  - verall 6y ago
    According to your profile you are an attorney and so I feel you already fully understand this, but red state abortion laws do not make exceptions for the mother's health. They state clearly that after a point in time, the life of the unborn child is to be considered equally valid as the life of the mother. The health of the mother is not considered the first priority. Abortion should be a medical decision. If a doctor is lying about the medical necessity of an abortion, that is illegal and they should lose their medical license and potentially get prison time. Same if they are giving out pills without necessity. Same if an attorney is caught illegally concealing evidence. I don't understand how it is relevant that you can find dirty doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc. Or how the 1900s are related.
    - 6y ago