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But where is the left's QAnon? Where is the left's birtherism? Where is the left's Marjorie Taylor Greene? Election fraud claims that drag on for months, enable

But where is the left's QAnon? Where is the left's birtherism? Where is the left's Marjorie Taylor Greene? Election fraud claims that drag on for months, enabled by major party players who see an opportunity and refuse to clearly shut it down, culminating in an armed assault that some now claim as a false flag operation? Where is the left's Lindsey Graham, a pathetic husk of a man who waffles between saying "I'm out" and then continues to double down? Of course the tan suit "scandal" was trivial bullshit, but that's the whole point, that that's the source material that Fox News is working with to drum up this kind of outrage— the rest is pure fabrications, a self-feeding cycle where Fox provides a legitimizing platform for it, which then generates the interest and demand for "coverage". So it may well be that both sides see the other as extreme and polarizing, but it's important to not actually equate them, because that is super unfair when one of the sides is in a state of denial about basic reality.

axaxs 6y ago
The left literally treated the last 4 years as an election fraud scandal that they refused to shut down. I'm generally in the center, but dislike when one party treats the other as solely being the problem. While I can't think of a specific qanon level of craziness on that side, they have their own, different craziness.
- mikepurvis 6y ago
  "The left literally treated the last 4 years as an election fraud scandal that they refused to shut down." Please cite sources for Democratic senators, congresspeople, and/or party officials advancing these claims.
  - axaxs 6y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trum... Has plenty of names and links to read all about it, if you missed it.
    - _underfl0w_ 6y ago
      Attempting to impeach someone based on their actions != falsely claiming election fraud in the face of evidencd (and attempting to coerce others e.g. Pence into doing so)
  - throwaway3699 6y ago
    The alphabet soup networks pushing the Russia hoax for 4 years didn't convince you?
    - dane-pgp 6y ago
      Do "the alphabet soup networks" include the Senate Intelligence Committee? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_...
    - triceratops 6y ago
      What was the hoax? The Mueller report had an entire section about Russian meddling. The investigation also indicted a number of Russian nationals.
      - throwaway3699 6y ago
        I'm not saying there wasn't an investigation, but I'm not convinced by the evidence after reading that document. The biggest thing that I saw was the ad spend was very small (<$1M)
        mikeyouse 6y ago
        And of course the hack and leak of Podesta and DNC that led to a billion dollars of earned media for Trump.
        throwaway3699 6y ago
        Which makes much more sense as to why Trump won than a delusional Russian conspiracy theory...
        mikeyouse 6y ago
        The Russians hacked the emails - How is it then a conspiracy theory? These things are all facts: Trump asked the Russians to hack Hillary, and hours later they began probing the Clinton domains. Russian government hacked Podesta Russian government hacked the DNC Russian government gave those emails to Wikileaks to hurt Hillary / boost Trump and they were weaponized explicitly to do so (e.g. the Podesta release coming hours after the President was on tape bragging about grabbing women by the pussy) Russian businessmen, closely linked to the government spent millions of dollars on a social media campaign to boost Trump Trump's campaign took several meetings with Russians offering help with the election, including explicit meetings offered as "Part of the government's assistance to the Trump campaign" and then lied to the press and the government when asked about those meetings Trump's campaign manager gave private polling data to several Russians, including a probable spy Trump dangled pardons for his team if they didn't cooperate with the investigation Trump pardoned those people who didn't cooperate with the investigation Trump's team changed the entire GOP platform to be more friendly to Russia Trump's transition team took clandestine meetings to promise to remove sanctions that were in place for the above activity. Trump's son-in-law offered to take meetings in the Russian embassy to be out of range of US intelligence. So far as I can tell, the "Hoax" that people are adamant about refers to the Mueller finding where they couldn't prove that any of the above was coordinated - And it very well might not have been! - but to say that it was a hoax that Russia helped Trump win is so silly.
  - jwond 6y ago
    > Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts. - Nancy Pelosi on May 16, 2017 https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/864522009048494080 https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/864522009048494080
    - scythe 6y ago
      The Senate Intelligence Committee and the Mueller Report both concluded that Russian propaganda affected the election. What was not shown was that Trump offered any support ("collusion") for these efforts. Simply complaining about Russian propaganda like this is hyperbolic, but not a conspiracy theory.
  - panny 6y ago
    https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/05/17/disinformation-from-schiff-media-damaged-america/ https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/05/17/disinformation-from-... "Even after the Mueller report clearly indicated that there was no provable collusion or coordination between the Russian government and the Trump campaign, Schiff continued to propagate the lie."
    - triceratops 6y ago
      > the Mueller report clearly indicated that there was no provable collusion or coordination between the Russian government and the Trump campaign Except that it didn't, really. "there was knowing and complicit behavior between the Trump campaign and Russians that stopped short of direct coordination, which may constitute conspiracy"[1] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Redacted_report_findings_compared_to_Barr_letter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Redacted_report...
      - cudgy 6y ago
        Can that conclusion be any more mealy-mouthed?
      - panny 6y ago
        You are realtime evidence for mikepurvis to see that the left never let go of the Russiagate conspiracy theory. Thanks for helping me to prove my point here.
  - trollski 6y ago
    hello fellow troll
- munk-a 6y ago
  That's an interesting view to have - I know that at the start of Trump's term there was a lot of discussion about Comey's involvement and Russia that I really just wish people would shut up about. Most of that died down after the Mueller report. And by the end of his term Trump was (IMO) pretty blatantly trying to subvert the election. Where do you get your news, if I may ask?
  - axaxs 6y ago
    The Mueller report was released in 2019, 3 years after the election. Perhaps 4 years was incorrect of me to state. If your last question is in earnest...I guess nowhere in particular and yet everywhere. I don't particularly like any of the news media companies, as I find they all have a blatant bias.
    - loopz 6y ago
      There is a disturbing trend of news media. It's how they have to turn a profit, and starting to quote social media. That is not reporting, and news should be balanced, not just opinions and rage. However, in front of Tea Party, Trumpism and coup attempt, sadly outrage and calls for accountability are rightly justified.
- hooande 6y ago
  You couldn't think of an equivalent of qanon for the left, so you just elevated some minor critique until it satisfied your desire to say "both sides" and shut down any actual analysis. THIS is the problem!
- eyelidlessness 6y ago
  > The left literally treated the last 4 years as an election fraud scandal that they refused to shut down. Hi, I'm "the left", at least for the purposes of this conversation. The left did no such thing. I tried to get us to do so because there was clearly a fraudulent election. But it didn't matter what I said, the left didn't want to hear none of it. They were more concerned (legitimately) about Russophobia and not giving too much legitimacy to the alphabet soup agencies.
Aunche 6y ago
I agree that one side is worse than the other, but people tend to think the difference between their own side and the opposition is 20 to 100. In reality the difference is probably closer to 60 to 70.
- eyelidlessness 6y ago
  What does this even mean??? These numbers don’t mean anything. You’re talking about people who’ve been intolerant of hate and shut down less of it than they should have, vs people who’ve tolerated or even welcomed and amplified hate because it suits them. Who fucking cares if they’re 10% apart? The difference is brownshirts or not.
disposekinetics 6y ago
I am not on either side in the US, there isn't a party that represents me, but something stuck out to me. >culminating in an armed assault that some now claim as a false flag operation? We had to hear all summer about how it was really Boogaloo Boys/White Nationalists/The CIA and not BLM rioting. This is something I see as endemic to all sides. I think this must be perspective based as everything in the above list has a mirror image from the other party, and in both cases it seems like a fair criticism.
- eyelidlessness 6y ago
  > We had to hear all summer about how it was really Boogaloo Boys/White Nationalists/The CIA and not BLM rioting. I’m sorry the reporting is so bad. Here in the US as a leftist I saw most of my friends posting “in defense of rioting”, “property isn’t people”, and quoting MLK on the lessons of riots. The right just thought they could stage a coup and also get away without any criticism for trying.
  - esyir 6y ago
    Interesting take. The blm riots were supported and approved by both the mainstream levers of power (media, government) and continue to be so. They were both larger in scale and duration. The capitol riots were both smaller in scale and, more importantly generally condemned by their sides equivalent levers of power. I actually consider the right response here more reasonable than the left.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
    If black lives mattered and politicians represented their constituents these riots would not have occurred. I expect more. Until the consequences of treating minorities as subhuman directly effect billionaires and their very lives nothing will change.
- dane-pgp 6y ago
  > We had to hear all summer about how it was ... not BLM rioting. I think an important distinction here is that the riots had no political goal to them, and had almost no support from BLM figures themselves, and even less from national politicians. Indeed, if your goal is for the police to be defunded, then the last thing you would want to do is create a situation where people fear for their lives and their property and need the protection of the police. Contrast that with the goals of the people storming the Capitol and you'll see that they had national politicians who also wanted to interrupt the joint session of Congress and prevent (some of) the electoral votes from being counted, to ultimately change the outcome of the election.
jpxw 6y ago
Russiagate and the “piss dossier”?
rayiner 6y ago
Extinction rebellion? Members of Congress who think that climate change will destroy the world within 10 years?
- scythe 6y ago
  >Extinction rebellion? I would say the key difference about the left is that the supporters of these kinds of movements rarely get much support at the top. Even Bernie Sanders and AOC have stepped back from supporting certain movements after criticism (I'm thinking of Venezuela), while such contrition on the right is rare (until the Capitol sedition). >Members of Congress who think that climate change will destroy the world within 10 years? Who, precisely? And what did they say?
  - rayiner 6y ago
    AOC: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/22/ocasio-cortez-climate-change-alarm/2642481002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019... > 'The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change,' Ocasio-Cortez says
    - scythe 6y ago
      Right, so that generally falls into the category I identified in the first comment: stuff that people on the left say in the heat of the moment, but don't stick to. She was, at the time, being interviewed by the notoriously fiery Ta-Nehisi Coates. It's kind of like comparing Elon Musk smoking weed on Joe Rogan to someone who smokes weed at work every day. I really doubt AOC actually believed at any time that the world would end in 2030 (cf. Paris Agreement's 2030 Agenda).
      - zests 6y ago
        That's quite the stretch. We can lawyer our way out of anything if we try hard enough.
        6y ago
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legostormtroopr 6y ago
> But where is the left's QAnon? Twitter How much time was devoted to Trump and his "two scoops of ice cream", "dumping seed in the koi fish pond" or any of the hundreds of miniscule things he did - most of which were just mandanities, framed into a false lens and then magnified. I'm not saying that Trump was good, just that there was so much noise from social media about how absolutely everything he did was not just "bad", but the "worst ever". A lot of left-leaning source went into an absolute frenzy about anything and everything he did to try and spin it as the worst.
- mikepurvis 6y ago
  Okay but "noise from social media" is very different from leading politicians and entire news organizations playing along with dangerous stuff like Trump's COVID denialism for months on end. Trump is almost certainly among the bottom 3-4 worst US presidents in history [1]. Was each individual action the "worst ever"? No, of course not. But the sum of the pieces was indeed ghastly, and it's ridiculous to claim that these are just gaffs like any public figure has, and once everyone calms down and stops blowing things out of proportion he will be regarded as just another normal, middle-of-the-road president. [1]: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/trump-best-worst-presidents-ranked/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/trump-best-worst-pre...
  - cudgy 6y ago
    So, do you rate GW Bush better or worse than Trump? Why wasn’t the left all in a lather about killing 100s of thousands of innocent Iraquis based on false evidence of Chemical weapons stockpiles? Why not impeach Bush then? Why not now?
    - mikepurvis 6y ago
      If nothing else, Bush already served two terms.
      - cudgy 6y ago
CapricornNoble 6y ago
>>>But where is the left's QAnon? Working at MSNBC? [1] The far-left conspiracy groups probably got really quiet after one of their own tried to murder Republican Congressmen. Did everyone just forget about that? [2] *On May 22, Hodgkinson wrote "Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It's Time to Destroy Trump & Co." above his repost of a Change.org petition demanding "the legal removal" of Trump and Vice President Mike Pence for "treason". He belonged to numerous political Facebook groups, including those named "Terminate the Republican Party", "The Road To Hell Is Paved With Republicans", and "Donald Trump is not my President."* [1]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/russia-has-been-cultivating-trump-as-an-asset-for-40-years-former-kgb-spy-says/ar-BB1dd1UA https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/russia-has-been-cult... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_sh...

axaxs 6y ago

The left literally treated the last 4 years as an election fraud scandal that they refused to shut down. I'm generally in the center, but dislike when one party treats the other as solely being the problem. While I can't think of a specific qanon level of craziness on that side, they have their own, different craziness.

mikepurvis 6y ago
"The left literally treated the last 4 years as an election fraud scandal that they refused to shut down." Please cite sources for Democratic senators, congresspeople, and/or party officials advancing these claims.
- axaxs 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trum... Has plenty of names and links to read all about it, if you missed it.
  - _underfl0w_ 6y ago
    Attempting to impeach someone based on their actions != falsely claiming election fraud in the face of evidencd (and attempting to coerce others e.g. Pence into doing so)
- throwaway3699 6y ago
  The alphabet soup networks pushing the Russia hoax for 4 years didn't convince you?
  - dane-pgp 6y ago
    Do "the alphabet soup networks" include the Senate Intelligence Committee? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_...
  - triceratops 6y ago
    What was the hoax? The Mueller report had an entire section about Russian meddling. The investigation also indicted a number of Russian nationals.
    - throwaway3699 6y ago
      I'm not saying there wasn't an investigation, but I'm not convinced by the evidence after reading that document. The biggest thing that I saw was the ad spend was very small (<$1M)
      - mikeyouse 6y ago
        And of course the hack and leak of Podesta and DNC that led to a billion dollars of earned media for Trump.
        throwaway3699 6y ago
        Which makes much more sense as to why Trump won than a delusional Russian conspiracy theory...
        mikeyouse 6y ago
        The Russians hacked the emails - How is it then a conspiracy theory? These things are all facts: Trump asked the Russians to hack Hillary, and hours later they began probing the Clinton domains. Russian government hacked Podesta Russian government hacked the DNC Russian government gave those emails to Wikileaks to hurt Hillary / boost Trump and they were weaponized explicitly to do so (e.g. the Podesta release coming hours after the President was on tape bragging about grabbing women by the pussy) Russian businessmen, closely linked to the government spent millions of dollars on a social media campaign to boost Trump Trump's campaign took several meetings with Russians offering help with the election, including explicit meetings offered as "Part of the government's assistance to the Trump campaign" and then lied to the press and the government when asked about those meetings Trump's campaign manager gave private polling data to several Russians, including a probable spy Trump dangled pardons for his team if they didn't cooperate with the investigation Trump pardoned those people who didn't cooperate with the investigation Trump's team changed the entire GOP platform to be more friendly to Russia Trump's transition team took clandestine meetings to promise to remove sanctions that were in place for the above activity. Trump's son-in-law offered to take meetings in the Russian embassy to be out of range of US intelligence. So far as I can tell, the "Hoax" that people are adamant about refers to the Mueller finding where they couldn't prove that any of the above was coordinated - And it very well might not have been! - but to say that it was a hoax that Russia helped Trump win is so silly.
- jwond 6y ago
  > Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts. - Nancy Pelosi on May 16, 2017 https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/864522009048494080 https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/864522009048494080
  - scythe 6y ago
    The Senate Intelligence Committee and the Mueller Report both concluded that Russian propaganda affected the election. What was not shown was that Trump offered any support ("collusion") for these efforts. Simply complaining about Russian propaganda like this is hyperbolic, but not a conspiracy theory.
- panny 6y ago
  https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/05/17/disinformation-from-schiff-media-damaged-america/ https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/05/17/disinformation-from-... "Even after the Mueller report clearly indicated that there was no provable collusion or coordination between the Russian government and the Trump campaign, Schiff continued to propagate the lie."
  - triceratops 6y ago
    > the Mueller report clearly indicated that there was no provable collusion or coordination between the Russian government and the Trump campaign Except that it didn't, really. "there was knowing and complicit behavior between the Trump campaign and Russians that stopped short of direct coordination, which may constitute conspiracy"[1] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Redacted_report_findings_compared_to_Barr_letter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Redacted_report...
    - cudgy 6y ago
      Can that conclusion be any more mealy-mouthed?
    - panny 6y ago
      You are realtime evidence for mikepurvis to see that the left never let go of the Russiagate conspiracy theory. Thanks for helping me to prove my point here.
- trollski 6y ago
  hello fellow troll
munk-a 6y ago
That's an interesting view to have - I know that at the start of Trump's term there was a lot of discussion about Comey's involvement and Russia that I really just wish people would shut up about. Most of that died down after the Mueller report. And by the end of his term Trump was (IMO) pretty blatantly trying to subvert the election. Where do you get your news, if I may ask?
- axaxs 6y ago
  The Mueller report was released in 2019, 3 years after the election. Perhaps 4 years was incorrect of me to state. If your last question is in earnest...I guess nowhere in particular and yet everywhere. I don't particularly like any of the news media companies, as I find they all have a blatant bias.
  - loopz 6y ago
    There is a disturbing trend of news media. It's how they have to turn a profit, and starting to quote social media. That is not reporting, and news should be balanced, not just opinions and rage. However, in front of Tea Party, Trumpism and coup attempt, sadly outrage and calls for accountability are rightly justified.
hooande 6y ago
You couldn't think of an equivalent of qanon for the left, so you just elevated some minor critique until it satisfied your desire to say "both sides" and shut down any actual analysis. THIS is the problem!
eyelidlessness 6y ago
> The left literally treated the last 4 years as an election fraud scandal that they refused to shut down. Hi, I'm "the left", at least for the purposes of this conversation. The left did no such thing. I tried to get us to do so because there was clearly a fraudulent election. But it didn't matter what I said, the left didn't want to hear none of it. They were more concerned (legitimately) about Russophobia and not giving too much legitimacy to the alphabet soup agencies.

Aunche 6y ago

I agree that one side is worse than the other, but people tend to think the difference between their own side and the opposition is 20 to 100. In reality the difference is probably closer to 60 to 70.

eyelidlessness 6y ago
What does this even mean??? These numbers don’t mean anything. You’re talking about people who’ve been intolerant of hate and shut down less of it than they should have, vs people who’ve tolerated or even welcomed and amplified hate because it suits them. Who fucking cares if they’re 10% apart? The difference is brownshirts or not.

disposekinetics 6y ago

I am not on either side in the US, there isn't a party that represents me, but something stuck out to me. >culminating in an armed assault that some now claim as a false flag operation? We had to hear all summer about how it was really Boogaloo Boys/White Nationalists/The CIA and not BLM rioting. This is something I see as endemic to all sides. I think this must be perspective based as everything in the above list has a mirror image from the other party, and in both cases it seems like a fair criticism.

eyelidlessness 6y ago
> We had to hear all summer about how it was really Boogaloo Boys/White Nationalists/The CIA and not BLM rioting. I’m sorry the reporting is so bad. Here in the US as a leftist I saw most of my friends posting “in defense of rioting”, “property isn’t people”, and quoting MLK on the lessons of riots. The right just thought they could stage a coup and also get away without any criticism for trying.
- esyir 6y ago
  Interesting take. The blm riots were supported and approved by both the mainstream levers of power (media, government) and continue to be so. They were both larger in scale and duration. The capitol riots were both smaller in scale and, more importantly generally condemned by their sides equivalent levers of power. I actually consider the right response here more reasonable than the left.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
  If black lives mattered and politicians represented their constituents these riots would not have occurred. I expect more. Until the consequences of treating minorities as subhuman directly effect billionaires and their very lives nothing will change.
dane-pgp 6y ago
> We had to hear all summer about how it was ... not BLM rioting. I think an important distinction here is that the riots had no political goal to them, and had almost no support from BLM figures themselves, and even less from national politicians. Indeed, if your goal is for the police to be defunded, then the last thing you would want to do is create a situation where people fear for their lives and their property and need the protection of the police. Contrast that with the goals of the people storming the Capitol and you'll see that they had national politicians who also wanted to interrupt the joint session of Congress and prevent (some of) the electoral votes from being counted, to ultimately change the outcome of the election.

jpxw 6y ago

Russiagate and the “piss dossier”?

rayiner 6y ago

Extinction rebellion? Members of Congress who think that climate change will destroy the world within 10 years?

scythe 6y ago
>Extinction rebellion? I would say the key difference about the left is that the supporters of these kinds of movements rarely get much support at the top. Even Bernie Sanders and AOC have stepped back from supporting certain movements after criticism (I'm thinking of Venezuela), while such contrition on the right is rare (until the Capitol sedition). >Members of Congress who think that climate change will destroy the world within 10 years? Who, precisely? And what did they say?
- rayiner 6y ago
  AOC: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/22/ocasio-cortez-climate-change-alarm/2642481002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019... > 'The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change,' Ocasio-Cortez says
  - scythe 6y ago
    Right, so that generally falls into the category I identified in the first comment: stuff that people on the left say in the heat of the moment, but don't stick to. She was, at the time, being interviewed by the notoriously fiery Ta-Nehisi Coates. It's kind of like comparing Elon Musk smoking weed on Joe Rogan to someone who smokes weed at work every day. I really doubt AOC actually believed at any time that the world would end in 2030 (cf. Paris Agreement's 2030 Agenda).
    - zests 6y ago
      That's quite the stretch. We can lawyer our way out of anything if we try hard enough.
      - 6y ago

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legostormtroopr 6y ago

> But where is the left's QAnon? Twitter How much time was devoted to Trump and his "two scoops of ice cream", "dumping seed in the koi fish pond" or any of the hundreds of miniscule things he did - most of which were just mandanities, framed into a false lens and then magnified. I'm not saying that Trump was good, just that there was so much noise from social media about how absolutely everything he did was not just "bad", but the "worst ever". A lot of left-leaning source went into an absolute frenzy about anything and everything he did to try and spin it as the worst.

mikepurvis 6y ago
Okay but "noise from social media" is very different from leading politicians and entire news organizations playing along with dangerous stuff like Trump's COVID denialism for months on end. Trump is almost certainly among the bottom 3-4 worst US presidents in history [1]. Was each individual action the "worst ever"? No, of course not. But the sum of the pieces was indeed ghastly, and it's ridiculous to claim that these are just gaffs like any public figure has, and once everyone calms down and stops blowing things out of proportion he will be regarded as just another normal, middle-of-the-road president. [1]: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/trump-best-worst-presidents-ranked/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/trump-best-worst-pre...
- cudgy 6y ago
  So, do you rate GW Bush better or worse than Trump? Why wasn’t the left all in a lather about killing 100s of thousands of innocent Iraquis based on false evidence of Chemical weapons stockpiles? Why not impeach Bush then? Why not now?
  - mikepurvis 6y ago
    If nothing else, Bush already served two terms.
    - cudgy 6y ago

CapricornNoble 6y ago

>>>But where is the left's QAnon? Working at MSNBC? [1] The far-left conspiracy groups probably got really quiet after one of their own tried to murder Republican Congressmen. Did everyone just forget about that? [2] *On May 22, Hodgkinson wrote "Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It's Time to Destroy Trump & Co." above his repost of a Change.org petition demanding "the legal removal" of Trump and Vice President Mike Pence for "treason". He belonged to numerous political Facebook groups, including those named "Terminate the Republican Party", "The Road To Hell Is Paved With Republicans", and "Donald Trump is not my President."* [1]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/russia-has-been-cultivating-trump-as-an-asset-for-40-years-former-kgb-spy-says/ar-BB1dd1UA https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/russia-has-been-cult... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_sh...