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I’m curious what the “evilness” is. Also, Hua wei isn’t the ccp. I’m sure there is influence for sure. Just like there is influence in US companies from govern

I’m curious what the “evilness” is. Also, Hua wei isn’t the ccp. I’m sure there is influence for sure. Just like there is influence in US companies from government.

redis_mlc 6y ago
> Also, Hua wei isn’t the ccp. I’m sure there is influence for sure Actually, the CCP controls all companies in China, and has agents on site in each company over about 40 employees. The founder is PLA, which reports to the CCP.
- onethought 6y ago
  Wow... Where do people make this stuff up? This is like CCP fan fiction. Larger companies often have to have a ccp representative, these aren’t agents... Founders are not PLA... you mean Huawei in particular... the founder was once in the army?
  - redis_mlc 6y ago
    > Larger companies often have to have a ccp representative, these aren’t agents Larger companies must have a CCP cell in the company. Whether you call them reps or agents, they're CCP. > Founders are not PLA... you mean Huawei in particular... the founder was once in the army? The Huawei founder was a member of the PLA, and likely still is, since generally ex-military can always be recalled. Technology companies in China are dual-use (both civilian and military).
    - onethought 6y ago
      Similar to how Amazon, Boeing, and AT&T are dual use? Or how Johnson and Johnson’s CEO is Ex military? Guess you should think twice about that shampoo. And that CCP cell controls the direction of the company? Or less dramatically does it ensure (a) workers rights (admittedly these are far worse conditions than western countries), and (b) that the company isn’t working against the CCP.
consumer451 6y ago
> I’m curious what the “evilness” is. The lowest common denominator for systems which I find "evil" are systems with low accountability. Non-democratic authoritarian regimes, populations with large income divides, US policing systems, economies with monopolistic actors... all of these things are systems with low-to-zero accountability. Or if you are truly asking the innocent question "how are they evil?" Examples of how the CCP is evil can be found in HK jails, Tianamen square, and Xinjiang province for a start.
- onethought 6y ago
  But all countries have these questionable choices and histories... but we are just singing out China as evil... feels like propaganda. I agree democracy helps distribute power... I don’t agree it makes people more accountable. Or is inherently less/more “evil”. Compare China and US Covid response. Which one has held people more accountable, which one has been more evil?
  - consumer451 6y ago
    "Evil" is just lazy shorthand. Unfair, unjust, not cool... many words could work here. Also, just because I am currently talking about the evils of the CCP does not spare other actors and systems from my derision. People seem to be easily led down the path of A vs B when the truth is always more complex. For example, the antique dichotomy of Capitalism vs Socialism is somehow still the main discussion. From my POV, history has clearly proven both doctrines as faulty in their pure forms. For years we have seen and lived the "third way" but somehow, it's still Capitalism vs Socialism in the conversation. The reaction to COVID clearly shows how plain dumb US capitalism really is. That doesn't excuse the CCP from anything.
    - onethought 6y ago
      So all countries are unfair/unjust and no ones excused but let’s keep talking about Chinas bad... am I the only one that sees the bias? I hope somewhere on the Chinese version of HN there is someone saying “hey let’s stop gratuitously hating on the US”

I’m curious what the “evilness” is. Also, Hua wei isn’t the ccp. I’m sure there is influence for sure. Just like there is influence in US companies from government.

redis_mlc 6y ago

> Also, Hua wei isn’t the ccp. I’m sure there is influence for sure Actually, the CCP controls all companies in China, and has agents on site in each company over about 40 employees. The founder is PLA, which reports to the CCP.

onethought 6y ago
Wow... Where do people make this stuff up? This is like CCP fan fiction. Larger companies often have to have a ccp representative, these aren’t agents... Founders are not PLA... you mean Huawei in particular... the founder was once in the army?
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > Larger companies often have to have a ccp representative, these aren’t agents Larger companies must have a CCP cell in the company. Whether you call them reps or agents, they're CCP. > Founders are not PLA... you mean Huawei in particular... the founder was once in the army? The Huawei founder was a member of the PLA, and likely still is, since generally ex-military can always be recalled. Technology companies in China are dual-use (both civilian and military).
  - onethought 6y ago
    Similar to how Amazon, Boeing, and AT&T are dual use? Or how Johnson and Johnson’s CEO is Ex military? Guess you should think twice about that shampoo. And that CCP cell controls the direction of the company? Or less dramatically does it ensure (a) workers rights (admittedly these are far worse conditions than western countries), and (b) that the company isn’t working against the CCP.

consumer451 6y ago

> I’m curious what the “evilness” is. The lowest common denominator for systems which I find "evil" are systems with low accountability. Non-democratic authoritarian regimes, populations with large income divides, US policing systems, economies with monopolistic actors... all of these things are systems with low-to-zero accountability. Or if you are truly asking the innocent question "how are they evil?" Examples of how the CCP is evil can be found in HK jails, Tianamen square, and Xinjiang province for a start.

onethought 6y ago
But all countries have these questionable choices and histories... but we are just singing out China as evil... feels like propaganda. I agree democracy helps distribute power... I don’t agree it makes people more accountable. Or is inherently less/more “evil”. Compare China and US Covid response. Which one has held people more accountable, which one has been more evil?
- consumer451 6y ago
  "Evil" is just lazy shorthand. Unfair, unjust, not cool... many words could work here. Also, just because I am currently talking about the evils of the CCP does not spare other actors and systems from my derision. People seem to be easily led down the path of A vs B when the truth is always more complex. For example, the antique dichotomy of Capitalism vs Socialism is somehow still the main discussion. From my POV, history has clearly proven both doctrines as faulty in their pure forms. For years we have seen and lived the "third way" but somehow, it's still Capitalism vs Socialism in the conversation. The reaction to COVID clearly shows how plain dumb US capitalism really is. That doesn't excuse the CCP from anything.
  - onethought 6y ago
    So all countries are unfair/unjust and no ones excused but let’s keep talking about Chinas bad... am I the only one that sees the bias? I hope somewhere on the Chinese version of HN there is someone saying “hey let’s stop gratuitously hating on the US”