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It sincerely pains me to write this, but I tend to agree with the general conclusion of this comment. Of course, Germans, French, Canadians....etc are NOT immun

by __sy__ 6y ago

It sincerely pains me to write this, but I tend to agree with the general conclusion of this comment. Of course, Germans, French, Canadians....etc are NOT immune to incompetence or unethical conduct either (see Enron, VW, Total...etc). But once you've dealt long enough with Chinese CM/ODM/OEMs, you've seen things that make you nod along this comment. JUST YESTERDAY, we received an SDK doc from a well-known networking gear OEM that was encrypted using 3DES. [1] [1] https://www.precisely.com/blog/data-security/aes-vs-des-encryption-standard-3des-tdea https://www.precisely.com/blog/data-security/aes-vs-des-encr...

coltsfan 6y ago
For sure. But the specific statement of expecting "strong" ethics from some group of companies is bizarre. I would go all the way and say that it is completely unreasonable to expect "strong" ethics from any company. There are just too many individuals involved with their own incentives. It's like looking at MLB dopers and expecting european cyclists to be a better type of person and never dope. It will never happen that way. However, you could reasonably expect a sport whose governing body does regular testing of athletes and their gear to have less cheating. You could say that has nothing to do with ethics. It's about consequences. This should be a very easy conclusion for anyone that has ever read about cheating in any kind of system. sports, finance, academia's replication crisis, scrabble tournaments... it is sad, but the most reasonable conclusion is to expect cheating and unethical behavior. It's just what people, including some very good people, end up doing due to pressure and being able to get away with something. And if it is profitable to just pay the fine and not do a recall, don't do a recall. Even if that means kids will die. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1977/09/pinto-madness/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1977/09/pinto-madness/
- __sy__ 6y ago
  I agree wholeheartedly. Another thought that comes to mind is the idea that laws are a weak guarantee of outcome.

by __sy__ 6y ago

coltsfan 6y ago

For sure. But the specific statement of expecting "strong" ethics from some group of companies is bizarre. I would go all the way and say that it is completely unreasonable to expect "strong" ethics from any company. There are just too many individuals involved with their own incentives. It's like looking at MLB dopers and expecting european cyclists to be a better type of person and never dope. It will never happen that way. However, you could reasonably expect a sport whose governing body does regular testing of athletes and their gear to have less cheating. You could say that has nothing to do with ethics. It's about consequences. This should be a very easy conclusion for anyone that has ever read about cheating in any kind of system. sports, finance, academia's replication crisis, scrabble tournaments... it is sad, but the most reasonable conclusion is to expect cheating and unethical behavior. It's just what people, including some very good people, end up doing due to pressure and being able to get away with something. And if it is profitable to just pay the fine and not do a recall, don't do a recall. Even if that means kids will die. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1977/09/pinto-madness/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1977/09/pinto-madness/

__sy__ 6y ago
I agree wholeheartedly. Another thought that comes to mind is the idea that laws are a weak guarantee of outcome.