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Yes she fired the diplomat of the US Embassy for a few months IIRC. But it’s irrelevant to this post , the goal is for Germany to get sovereign 5G Telecom Infr

by asien 6y ago

Yes she fired the diplomat of the US Embassy for a few months IIRC. But it’s irrelevant to this post , the goal is for Germany to get sovereign 5G Telecom Infrastructure, today it’s either China with Huawei or American antenna ( NSA + CIA ) with Ericsson.

zekica 6y ago
Buy they have no issue with Microsoft's vendor lock in.
- guipsp 6y ago
  I'm sure you'd agree that vendor lock in on client endpoints is a much lesser issue than the critical infrastructure those endpoints are connected to, specially because not all endpoints are Microsoft
sorenjan 6y ago
Why would it be easier for the Americans to spy on Ericsson networks than some German network?
sudosysgen 6y ago
Indeed. As a Canadian too I'm agnostic to Chinese or American-backed equipment - they both pose a similar threat. If there is an option for domestic equipment then that is of course wildly preferable to either.
- f430 6y ago
  The absolutely do not compare!!!! As Canadian I am appalled at the constant CCP apologists in our country and on HN. One is a totalitarian regime devoid of basic human morality such as ripping out organs out of people for profit while they are alive , responsible for genocide of Uighurs and suppression of information and many many other stuff that is devoid of any dignity for humanity. The other is a democratic hyperpower that Canada is also part of under the Five Eyes agreement. If I had to choose between the CCP, Russia or America, it's America every fucking time. edit: I took a look at your comment history and when you talk stuff like this I see where you are coming from: A significant reason why Stalin was able to successfully rise to power and why the Bolsheviks were able to secure total power is because of foreign violence and interference. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26013882 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26013882 the other commentators replying to you are correct. Your ignorance is quite disgusting.
  - cambalache 6y ago
    > If I had to choose between the CCP, Russia or America, it's America every fucking time. Now ask that to the rest of the world.Not only to Five Anglo Eyes
    - f430 6y ago
      Most countries will agree so not sure what your gripe is about.
      - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
        You are living in a bubble. Whether by racism or political calculus, US authorities do not seem to respect lives of citizens of third world nations. US has kidnapped random people around the world to keep them in jail idefinately with no court or trial. It has killed thousands of people in drone strikes, in violation of international law, airspace and territorial sovereignty. Add to that some invasions, and maybe you will start to realise why people in Russia/India/Vietnam/etc. do not trust US any more than they do anyone else when it comes to upholding international law. As a Britton/German/Canadian you don't have to worry about these things. Additionally, if you consider territorial ambitions, various land disputes of old world nations are usually historical. As in "we will reverse some kind of injustice and get back some lands that belonged to our ancestors". That doesn't justify them, but one benefit of this is that they are predictable - China is not going to wake up one day to invade Somalia, but with USA you never know.
        f430 6y ago
        > Whether by racism or political calculus, US authorities do not seem to respect lives of citizens of third world nations. and China, Russia, North Korea does? Seems you are not even aware of your own bubble!
        ClumsyPilot 6y ago
        Are you aware of anyone else bombing random random weddings and civilians in peacetime? Maybe i am missing something. Consider normal countries like India, lets not bring tinpot dictatorships and bana republics into this, unless thats your benchmark.
- belval 6y ago
  You shouldn't. The US is our ally through NORAD, NATO and free trade agreements. It has had a rough pass because of the Trump administration, but they would still defend our interests in case of trade disputes or armed conflicts.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Canadian geostrategic policy has always been to limit reliance on the US as much as possible. This is the reason why the Canadian military went as far as training with the USSR in the 80s. The US will not help Canada in trade conflicts. In fact, most trade conflicts that Canada has are with the US. Equally, the US only helps Canada militarily as far as it furthers US interests. Here is a good example. The only significant military challenge to Canadian interests right now are Russian claims in the Arctic. The US, instead of supporting Canadian claims, first made its own claims, and then argued that the territory should be under international jurisdiction. States do not have friends. Only interests.
- celloductor 6y ago
  Yea not sure what the overreaction to China is. Any foreign power is a threat- but I'd rather the enemy you know, than a friend who would (and have a record of) stabbing you in the back.
tormeh 6y ago
Huh? Ericsson is Swedish. Why is it more likely to be US spying gear in Ericsson products than, say, Nokia?

by asien 6y ago

zekica 6y ago

Buy they have no issue with Microsoft's vendor lock in.

guipsp 6y ago
I'm sure you'd agree that vendor lock in on client endpoints is a much lesser issue than the critical infrastructure those endpoints are connected to, specially because not all endpoints are Microsoft

sorenjan 6y ago

Why would it be easier for the Americans to spy on Ericsson networks than some German network?

sudosysgen 6y ago

Indeed. As a Canadian too I'm agnostic to Chinese or American-backed equipment - they both pose a similar threat. If there is an option for domestic equipment then that is of course wildly preferable to either.

f430 6y ago
The absolutely do not compare!!!! As Canadian I am appalled at the constant CCP apologists in our country and on HN. One is a totalitarian regime devoid of basic human morality such as ripping out organs out of people for profit while they are alive , responsible for genocide of Uighurs and suppression of information and many many other stuff that is devoid of any dignity for humanity. The other is a democratic hyperpower that Canada is also part of under the Five Eyes agreement. If I had to choose between the CCP, Russia or America, it's America every fucking time. edit: I took a look at your comment history and when you talk stuff like this I see where you are coming from: A significant reason why Stalin was able to successfully rise to power and why the Bolsheviks were able to secure total power is because of foreign violence and interference. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26013882 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26013882 the other commentators replying to you are correct. Your ignorance is quite disgusting.
- cambalache 6y ago
  > If I had to choose between the CCP, Russia or America, it's America every fucking time. Now ask that to the rest of the world.Not only to Five Anglo Eyes
  - f430 6y ago
    Most countries will agree so not sure what your gripe is about.
    - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
      You are living in a bubble. Whether by racism or political calculus, US authorities do not seem to respect lives of citizens of third world nations. US has kidnapped random people around the world to keep them in jail idefinately with no court or trial. It has killed thousands of people in drone strikes, in violation of international law, airspace and territorial sovereignty. Add to that some invasions, and maybe you will start to realise why people in Russia/India/Vietnam/etc. do not trust US any more than they do anyone else when it comes to upholding international law. As a Britton/German/Canadian you don't have to worry about these things. Additionally, if you consider territorial ambitions, various land disputes of old world nations are usually historical. As in "we will reverse some kind of injustice and get back some lands that belonged to our ancestors". That doesn't justify them, but one benefit of this is that they are predictable - China is not going to wake up one day to invade Somalia, but with USA you never know.
      - f430 6y ago
        > Whether by racism or political calculus, US authorities do not seem to respect lives of citizens of third world nations. and China, Russia, North Korea does? Seems you are not even aware of your own bubble!
        ClumsyPilot 6y ago
        Are you aware of anyone else bombing random random weddings and civilians in peacetime? Maybe i am missing something. Consider normal countries like India, lets not bring tinpot dictatorships and bana republics into this, unless thats your benchmark.
belval 6y ago
You shouldn't. The US is our ally through NORAD, NATO and free trade agreements. It has had a rough pass because of the Trump administration, but they would still defend our interests in case of trade disputes or armed conflicts.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  Canadian geostrategic policy has always been to limit reliance on the US as much as possible. This is the reason why the Canadian military went as far as training with the USSR in the 80s. The US will not help Canada in trade conflicts. In fact, most trade conflicts that Canada has are with the US. Equally, the US only helps Canada militarily as far as it furthers US interests. Here is a good example. The only significant military challenge to Canadian interests right now are Russian claims in the Arctic. The US, instead of supporting Canadian claims, first made its own claims, and then argued that the territory should be under international jurisdiction. States do not have friends. Only interests.
celloductor 6y ago
Yea not sure what the overreaction to China is. Any foreign power is a threat- but I'd rather the enemy you know, than a friend who would (and have a record of) stabbing you in the back.

tormeh 6y ago

Huh? Ericsson is Swedish. Why is it more likely to be US spying gear in Ericsson products than, say, Nokia?