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It wasn’t slaves, and it wasn’t Jews (who didn’t exist at the time the pyramids were built), this has been known for over a hundred years. But victimhood narrat

by Jkvngt 6y ago

It wasn’t slaves, and it wasn’t Jews (who didn’t exist at the time the pyramids were built), this has been known for over a hundred years. But victimhood narratives are often too useful to let go, even when they have no basis in reality.

_-david-_ 6y ago
First, we don't know with certainty that some of the workers were not slaves. Egyptians had both chattel slavery and forced labor. Second, the Bible never claims the Jews built pyramids. The Bible only says they made bricks.
- Jkvngt 6y ago
  It doesn’t even say they made bricks.
  - _-david-_ 6y ago
    It actually does in Exodus 5:6-8 >6 The same day Pharaoh commanded the taskmasters of the people and their foremen, 7 “You shall no longer give the people straw to make bricks, as in the past; let them go and gather straw for themselves. 8 But the number of bricks that they made in the past you shall impose on them, you shall by no means reduce it, for they are idle. Therefore they cry, ‘Let us go and offer sacrifice to our God.’
    - Jkvngt 6y ago
      >the people Doesn't say which people, certainly doesn't imply slavery. The people the Pharaoh addresses seem to be foremen. And it only implies that the people addressed were distributing straw, not making bricks. 6 And Pharaoh commanded the same day the taskmasters of the people, and their officers, saying, 7 Ye shall no more give the people straw to make brick, as heretofore: let them go and gather straw for themselves. 8 And the tale of the bricks, which they did make heretofore, ye shall lay upon them; ye shall not diminish ought thereof: for they be idle; therefore they cry, saying, Let us go and sacrifice to our God.
      - _-david-_ 6y ago
        First of all, what I quoted was not to defend the argument that the Jews were slaves. I was responding to the claim that the Jews did not make bricks. If you read the full chapter it is extremely clear the people refers to to the Hebrews. It also clearly says that they have to make the same number of bricks. Unless you are suggesting that they were making no bricks and they are supposed to continue to make zero bricks. If that is the case then they would not need to get any straw in the first place. I am not sure if you are just misreading this or if you are just trolling.
dukeofdoom 6y ago
Its also possible that the current Egyptians are not quite the same people as 2000 years ago. In the last century alone Egypt went from 8 million to 80 million population. How much do we know about how related an average Egyptian is to someone from time of Pharaohs after centuries of migration and population mixing. I watched a youtuber travel through Egypt, and it looks like a third world country. He was getting harassed for money, stopped by police and so on. Pretty much same as my female friend told me when she travelled there. It doesn't instil much confidence its the same people, if they are able to accomplish so little with modern technology. That Could accomplish so much with such primitive technology.
- canadianfella 6y ago
  I don’t understand your point.
- owlmirror 6y ago
  there are genetic studies that sample ancient populations with the current population which point strongly at a continuity of the people with only minor outwards influence
  - singularity2001 6y ago
    in the case of Egypt this is not correct: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694 https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694 Also remember that two pharaohs had red hair
    - owlmirror 6y ago
      These are the studies I'm talking about. And we are talking about minor influxes of outside gene flow from the Arab invasion and slave trade. But the bulk of the ancestors of modern Egyptian are ancient Egyptians.
- singularity2001 6y ago
  not only is it possible it is proven: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694 https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694 Also remember that two pharaohs had red hair

by Jkvngt 6y ago

_-david-_ 6y ago

First, we don't know with certainty that some of the workers were not slaves. Egyptians had both chattel slavery and forced labor. Second, the Bible never claims the Jews built pyramids. The Bible only says they made bricks.

Jkvngt 6y ago
It doesn’t even say they made bricks.
- _-david-_ 6y ago
  It actually does in Exodus 5:6-8 >6 The same day Pharaoh commanded the taskmasters of the people and their foremen, 7 “You shall no longer give the people straw to make bricks, as in the past; let them go and gather straw for themselves. 8 But the number of bricks that they made in the past you shall impose on them, you shall by no means reduce it, for they are idle. Therefore they cry, ‘Let us go and offer sacrifice to our God.’
  - Jkvngt 6y ago
    >the people Doesn't say which people, certainly doesn't imply slavery. The people the Pharaoh addresses seem to be foremen. And it only implies that the people addressed were distributing straw, not making bricks. 6 And Pharaoh commanded the same day the taskmasters of the people, and their officers, saying, 7 Ye shall no more give the people straw to make brick, as heretofore: let them go and gather straw for themselves. 8 And the tale of the bricks, which they did make heretofore, ye shall lay upon them; ye shall not diminish ought thereof: for they be idle; therefore they cry, saying, Let us go and sacrifice to our God.
    - _-david-_ 6y ago
      First of all, what I quoted was not to defend the argument that the Jews were slaves. I was responding to the claim that the Jews did not make bricks. If you read the full chapter it is extremely clear the people refers to to the Hebrews. It also clearly says that they have to make the same number of bricks. Unless you are suggesting that they were making no bricks and they are supposed to continue to make zero bricks. If that is the case then they would not need to get any straw in the first place. I am not sure if you are just misreading this or if you are just trolling.

dukeofdoom 6y ago

Its also possible that the current Egyptians are not quite the same people as 2000 years ago. In the last century alone Egypt went from 8 million to 80 million population. How much do we know about how related an average Egyptian is to someone from time of Pharaohs after centuries of migration and population mixing. I watched a youtuber travel through Egypt, and it looks like a third world country. He was getting harassed for money, stopped by police and so on. Pretty much same as my female friend told me when she travelled there. It doesn't instil much confidence its the same people, if they are able to accomplish so little with modern technology. That Could accomplish so much with such primitive technology.

canadianfella 6y ago
I don’t understand your point.
owlmirror 6y ago
there are genetic studies that sample ancient populations with the current population which point strongly at a continuity of the people with only minor outwards influence
- singularity2001 6y ago
  in the case of Egypt this is not correct: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694 https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694 Also remember that two pharaohs had red hair
  - owlmirror 6y ago
    These are the studies I'm talking about. And we are talking about minor influxes of outside gene flow from the Arab invasion and slave trade. But the bulk of the ancestors of modern Egyptian are ancient Egyptians.
singularity2001 6y ago
not only is it possible it is proven: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694 https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694 Also remember that two pharaohs had red hair